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    GPS acceleration testing results for the 2018 BMW F90 M5 and comparison to the W213 Mercedes-AMG E63 S

    Carwow got their hands on the new F90 M5 and did some GPS testing. First, keep in mind that these are not real dragstrip times. Secondly, keep in mind it is Carwow who for the life of them can not figure out what a trap speed is.

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    They get a 0-60 time of 3.1 seconds and 11.1 seconds for the 1/4 mile. They say this is 'faster' than the Mercedes because they got an 11.2 out of it. It is quicker, not faster.

    Well, this is just overall poor testing. For one, the Mercedes was tested in different conditions. Two, no trap speeds. Also, since this is not done on a dragstrip we can not compare 60 foot times to see how the launch affected the elapsed time. Why are they not going to the hundredth on the times either?

    Overall since this is very early in the lifespan of the F90 M5 we are hungry for whatever metrics we can get. Is the F90 M5 quicker and faster than the Mercedes-AMG E63 S? Probably. They are likely so close that if you want to win you need to make sure you have a tune. In that respect, the AMG starts out ahead of the M5 just as it did last generation.


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    Man this new M5 bears an uncanny resemblance to the last.

    At least it can finally get the power down....

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blown6 Click here to enlarge
    At least it can finally get the power down....
    People just struggle with RWD.

    It is going to be funny when from a roll the old car wins.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    People just struggle with RWD.

    It is going to be funny when from a roll the old car wins.
    People struggle with rwd with the ridiculous power being made nowadays lol.

    Why do you think the new car will win from a roll?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blown6 Click here to enlarge
    People struggle with rwd with the ridiculous power being made nowadays lol.
    And super heavy cars...

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blown6 Click here to enlarge
    Why do you think the new car will win from a roll?
    I need to see weights but if the RWD is lighter and it has a DCT I have my money on tuned F10's beating tuned F90's from a roll.

    We'll see.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    And super heavy cars...



    I need to see weights but if the RWD is lighter and it has a DCT I have my money on tuned F10's beating tuned F90's from a roll.

    We'll see.
    You know the new M5 can be put in rwd mode right?

    4255lbs is what I see for the new m5, funny thing is I remember seeing that as the weight of the old DCT m5... still fat but not bad considering they added components for awd and new std equipment.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blown6 Click here to enlarge
    You know the new M5 can be put in rwd mode right?
    Pretty sure I know that...

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blown6 Click here to enlarge
    4255lbs is what I see for the new m5, funny thing is I remember seeing that as the weight of the old DCT m5... still fat but not bad considering they added components for awd and new std equipment.
    Yep I'm waiting to see weight tests.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Pretty sure I know that...



    Yep I'm waiting to see weight tests.

    I am pretty confident the RWD version will beat the AWD from a roll as well. I think even in "RWD" mode, the front drive is still connected, but not sending power (more reciprocating mass) and, as you said - it will likely have more weight.

    If the next M3 goes AWD (without an option for RWD), they will need to fire their entire marketing team and technical team IMO, as they have completely (if not already) lost all hope.

    Fast car though!

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    I’ve seen that even now the new car is marginally lighter, something like 33 pounds, not enough to make a difference. It can be put in RWD mode, so can the E63, in both the front half of the drivetrain is completely disconnected.

    The E63 weighs more but probably has more torque and has one more gear, but not sure what the ratio spread will be. We know both companies are sandbagging on power output so the best we can say is that they’re “similar” in that regard.

    Due to the weight I’m betting the M5 might just edge it, but there’s no way the new car will lose to the old one on a roll...more power, more torque, marginally less weight, tighter gear ratios...no way. DCT does sap slightly less power and might shift a bit faster but those would be tiny advantages compared to the large advantages the new car has.

    Also, according to all, this new car is much more involving to drive, so either way, if you can afford it, the new one is the easy choice.

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    It has become so competitive between these 2 that we can not ignore the .4L more displacement the M has over the Merc. That will surely translate into more torque across the range, as well preliminary numbers have the m5 coming in at 200+lbs lighter.... I am edging towards the M5

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    http://www.carmag.co.za/news_post/to...des-amg-e63-s/

    e63 1955kg or 4301lbs
    m5 1855kg or 4081lbs (220lbs lighter)

    M5 is pretty damn impressive since a GTR weighs 3900 lbs

    Who’s going to be the first to come out with auto trans upgrades?
    i say that since that’s the big unknown, engine and even ecu are not too different.

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    Those weights sound wrong. Very wrong.

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    There is a trap a speed in the m5 video

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    It trapped 127.5 mph

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    Jaguar E-Pace Is Conquering The Compact-SUV World

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ms335i Click here to enlarge
    There is a trap a speed in the m5 video
    I missed it?

    What is the trap versus the E63?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
    http://www.carmag.co.za/news_post/to...des-amg-e63-s/

    e63 1955kg or 4301lbs
    m5 1855kg or 4081lbs (220lbs lighter)

    M5 is pretty damn impressive since a GTR weighs 3900 lbs

    Who’s going to be the first to come out with auto trans upgrades?
    i say that since that’s the big unknown, engine and even ecu are not too different.
    How much you want to bet when US owners take their car to get weighed it isn’t anywhere near 4081lbs? That is a pipe dream. Keep mind when BMW actually puts real weights on bmwusa site, not media BS. They are substantially higher.

    M550xdrive curb weight on bmwusa is 4,372 lbs.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ms335i Click here to enlarge
    It trapped 127.5 mph
    Ok I watched it again, where is the trap speed comparison?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ms335i Click here to enlarge
    It trapped 127.5 mph
    Ah, ok I see it. 127.5 flashes on the Vbox screen but they don't mention it in comparison to the E63 or the F10 M5.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Ah, ok I see it. 127.5 flashes on the Vbox screen but they don't mention it in comparison to the E63 or the F10 M5.
    Yea sadly he doesn't mention a trap for the e63s. Just has one for the f90 and nothing for the f10. Sorry I should have been more clear on my first post.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blown6 Click here to enlarge
    You know the new M5 can be put in rwd mode right?

    4255lbs is what I see for the new m5, funny thing is I remember seeing that as the weight of the old DCT m5... still fat but not bad considering they added components for awd and new std equipment.
    The 4255lbs that people see is “with a driver” I think they use 75kg for the standard driver weight so...

    1855kg + 75kg = 1930kg = ~4255lbs

    https://www.pistonheads.com/news/dri...--driven/37152

    it all depends what goes in to the number when comparing it to something else to make sure it’s apples to apples

    i agree best thing to do is to get them both weighed the same way, same time, for real data.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leveraged sellout Click here to enlarge
    I’ve seen that even now the new car is marginally lighter, something like 33 pounds, not enough to make a difference. It can be put in RWD mode, so can the E63, in both the front half of the drivetrain is completely disconnected.

    Yeah, I think this is where there is some confusion. I understand that they say it will be completely disconnected (from the transfer case) - and am assuming this is done via electronic clutch - however, the issue here is that all of the "linkage" from the transfer case to the front wheels is still there. Although it may be 100% disconnected from the transfer case (assuming this is what they are doing), there is still a decent amount of rotating mass added for the front drive to work.

    All I am trying to say - is even if it can disconnect 100%, we are still going to have losses at the front because the front wheels will still have to be connected to something other than a dumb hub/spindle.

    Cheers.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
    The 4255lbs that people see is “with a driver” I think they use 75kg for the standard driver weight so...

    1855kg + 75kg = 1930kg = ~4255lbs

    https://www.pistonheads.com/news/dri...--driven/37152

    it all depends what goes in to the number when comparing it to something else to make sure it’s apples to apples

    i agree best thing to do is to get them both weighed the same way, same time, for real data.
    No, it’s actually curb weight I was referring to, which is without passenger/driver.

    BMW F10 M5
    Length 4,910 mm (193.3 in)
    Width 1,891 mm (74.4 in)
    Height 1,451 mm (57.1 in)
    Kerb weight 1,945 kg (4,288 lb)


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    There is no way the F90 weighs 4080 pounds.

    I'm guessing 44XX.

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