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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by V8Bait Click here to enlarge
    I love that this platform holds most vendors and tuners to a high standard.
    Well, the thing is that the N54 platform is so saturated now. We have a vendor just for inlets, a separate vendor just for single turbo fittings, a separate vendor for coolant tank relocate, another vendor for a phone mount lol. So it's kinda like a joke IMHO, best to separate the actual vendors/tuners vs others so its good to ask questions and post logs.

    For a company like ours, we get blown up with emails asking how to copy this persons setup. X made 620whp without methanol, so why can't I?? Well, alot goes into it, like was it really a legit 620whp? Or is it jumping around like a roller coaster? I dyno'd a car last week with an e30 blend no methanol on 20 psi. It made a solid 570whp, which if you look closely is about the average for this car as well. So that 620whp, is a blip and not really something I would like to represent as it throws customers off. That's why I ask for logs, and a legit dyno graph. Maybe its different for you guys, but it gets annoying when we get hundreds of emails a day Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by V8Bait Click here to enlarge
    As far as I'm concerned anything on someones car belongs to them if they are paying. The dyno graphs, videos, logs etc. If they want to post they can. It's not the shops job, the tuners job, or anyone's job to post anything. In fact, it's the responsibility of the shop and tuner NOT to post or share anything without expressed consent of the owner/customer.
    Hardware vendors are free not to share data but then customers are also free to assume their results were produced by running aggressive tuning on the ragged edge and that software trickery was used to mask whatever faults exist within the hardware design.

    It's best to share data that shows the parts are operating as one would expect IMHO, but what do I know, I don't sell turbo kits. Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by V8Bait Click here to enlarge
    As far as I'm concerned anything on someones car belongs to them if they are paying. The dyno graphs, videos, logs etc. If they want to post they can. It's not the shops job, the tuners job, or anyone's job to post anything. In fact, it's the responsibility of the shop and tuner NOT to post or share anything without expressed consent of the owner/customer.
    This.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Payam@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Well, the thing is that the N54 platform is so saturated now.
    Saturated or played out? It's 2017 guys and soon to be 2018.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Payam@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Well, the thing is that the N54 platform is so saturated now. We have a vendor just for inlets, a separate vendor just for single turbo fittings, a separate vendor for coolant tank relocate, another vendor for a phone mount lol. So it's kinda like a joke IMHO, best to separate the actual vendors/tuners vs others so its good to ask questions and post logs.

    For a company like ours, we get blown up with emails asking how to copy this persons setup. X made 620whp without methanol, so why can't I?? Well, alot goes into it, like was it really a legit 620whp? Or is it jumping around like a roller coaster? I dyno'd a car last week with an e30 blend no methanol on 20 psi. It made a solid 570whp, which if you look closely is about the average for this car as well. So that 620whp, is a blip and not really something I would like to represent as it throws customers off. That's why I ask for logs, and a legit dyno graph. Maybe its different for you guys, but it gets annoying when we get hundreds of emails a day Click here to enlarge

    Yep. I ignore most of my emails and try to flag ones from people I'm working with to follow up. Usually people I work with are recommended etc so my base is less generic so I understand your pain. My advice for BMS isn't politically correct but honestly it's move to the next platform where you're much needed.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Hardware vendors are free not to share data but then customers are also free to assume their results were produced by running aggressive tuning on the ragged edge and that software trickery was used to mask whatever faults exist within the hardware design.

    It's best to share data that shows the parts are operating as one would expect IMHO, but what do I know, I don't sell turbo kits. Click here to enlarge

    Agreed. Does AJ or whatever tuning/shop make the hardware here? Don't think so, so I feel this was just a plug to entice interest without stepping on too many moral feet. My primary field is a little more strict so I guess my lips are just tighter. Especially for this "record" lawl but I digress. Good things in n54land coming I suppose!

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    This platform, needs to get over the BS of posting logs for everything. I don't know of a single platform on any forum or FB group, that demands a person post a log of a dyno run to validate the power it makes. Questioning the $#@!ty graph, is another topic or what the car actually does on the street. What's the point of a dyno graph, if it's slow on the street..

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    I just ran 9.50s at the track in a 6 speed. Nobody ask for the time slip though. Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    What is it with you people and logs. This is the only platform on the planet that I even see people asking for that. A company that makes a turbo kit for a platform has no requirement to provide logs to anyone. I wouldn't. When using a turbo like a Garret or Precision, that's mass produced, that turbo is capable of flowing XX lbs/min based on wheel size. That will give you your estimate of what it should dyno. When it dynos around that, that's what you get, a dyno sheet. So quit crying when a vendor doesn't post logs. There are so many variables that have nothing to do with the turbo kit.

    Totally. Everybody and their mom knows how much these turbos are going to put down. the only people are concerned with is fitment and price
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    anyone received their youwish n54 kit yet? how's fitment?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by micho83 Click here to enlarge
    anyone received their youwish n54 kit yet? how's fitment?
    Good question. Doesn't seem to be a popular option at least not right now.

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    Seeing as it has something to do with EMP tuning this does not surprise me in the least.

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    What does it have to do with emp?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky2 Click here to enlarge
    What does it have to do with emp?
    "Their kit with a Garrett 6265 was tuned by EMP Tuning and made 622 horsepower to the wheels without port injection or meth at 23 psi:"

    They tuned it apparently, the only known full/prototype kit afaik. My guess is they are more involved. Anytime I see EMP I want nothing to do with it given all the stories etc.

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