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    • BMW M will not produce a four-cylinder and will stay rear wheel drive for as long as possible (which is not very long)

      The head of BMW M's product management Carsten Pries told Australia's Motoring that rear wheel drive defines the M brand. He is right, it does. He also forgets BMW M already has all wheel drive vehicles in the portfolio in the X5M and X6M with more all wheel drive vehicles supposedly on the way.


      There are of course also the diesel M models with all wheel drive that are not available in the USA. So, what really defines the M brand these days is saying one thing and doing something completely different.

      Listen to this guy market the M brand and their 'philosophy' if you want to call it that:

      Quote Originally Posted by Carsten Pries
      This combination of six cylinder engines and rear-wheel drive is not just a USP in marketing terms but it is something that really attracts people to our brand. This is obviously not something you can just talk about but also something you can experience and enjoy.
      Here is his response when asked about four-cylinder M motors:

      Quote Originally Posted by Carsten Pries
      I hope not, because six [cylinder] is part of our DNA. Not only the power, but that hallmark sound that we have.
      This is all just marketing speak. BMW used to say the the same things about naturally aspirated engines being a part of the M DNA. We all know how that went down.

      His comment on four-cylinder motors not being M worthy makes no sense when the very first M3 utilized a gem of a four-cylinder in the S14 engine. They also won a ton of DTM races with that same motor. Is this guy new to the brand or something? Short term memory? Is a requirement for a job at BMW to not know anything about BMW?

      How about that the engine sound aspect of the inline-6 he touts is faked? You can not say your engines have an amazing sound when you artificially pipe in engine sounds to help with that muffled noise he calls a hallmark.

      Plus BMW M is not just about inline-6 engines. They have V8's they are currently producing. They have produced V12's. They have produced V10's. BMW ditched the inline-6 for a V8 in the M3 because the I6 was a liability. As it turns out, you don't win races because you think your car sounds good with a certain motor.

      This is all just a bunch of meaningless crap. Expect an all wheel drive M5 and M6 with a V8 if BMW M intends to keep up with Audi and AMG. They decided to make their cars about power and just as they learned with the diesel M models putting all that torque down to move these heavy monsters requires all wheel drive.

      BMW M will change their narrative to fit whatever the hell they are doing meaning you can not trust what they say these days. DNA doesn't change with the way the wind is blowing.

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      Comments 10 Comments
      1. ms335i's Avatar
        ms335i -
        I personally don't care for how many cylinders they make. I want a naturally aspirated M engine.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ms335i Click here to enlarge
        I want a naturally aspirated M engine.
        Those days are gone.
      1. ms335i's Avatar
        ms335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Those days are gone.
        I'm still hoping.
      1. Law's Avatar
        Law -
        With the way M GmbH has been streamlined by BMW, I'm not surprised that the newly installed marketeers are oblivious to its own pedigree. Or maybe it's not even a case of being oblivious but more about disseminating propaganda that falls within the current party-line. If you repeat a lie enough, sooner or later people will believe it.
        I cringe every time a self-proclaimed BMW enthusiast or car journalist tries to school people on how the F8X "returns to its roots" because the M3 has "always had an Inline Six". The amount of ignorance, it's amazing, really.
        In another 10-years, Mr. Marketing will say how turbos are the DNA of M, assuming the DNA hasn't already mutated into electric power.
      1. NniftyFour's Avatar
        NniftyFour -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ms335i Click here to enlarge
        I'm still hoping.
        You can give up. Emissions and fuel efficiency standards have sealed the deal on that one. It's over.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Law Click here to enlarge
        Or maybe it's not even a case of being oblivious but more about disseminating propaganda that falls within the current party-line. If you repeat a lie enough, sooner or later people will believe it.
        That's pretty much what it is. Tow the company line no matter what.
      1. maxnix's Avatar
        maxnix -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ms335i Click here to enlarge
        I'm still hoping.
        For what? Less thermal efficiency and less area under the torque curve? Click here to enlarge

        Even the new smaller Porsche turbo flat fours smoke the old larger NA flat sixes.
      1. E90Company's Avatar
        E90Company -
        It's amazing how many people hate on BMW but continue to buy them. I'll never go back to that company, they come out with these statements all the time that end up just being marketing and flat out lies. That's not how you keep customers.

        Pre N54, BMW was a hell of a machine. The S65/S85 cars were awesome too. Now, it's just gotten way out of hand.

        Mercedes/Domestic all the way for me.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by maxnix Click here to enlarge
        For what? Less thermal efficiency and less area under the torque curve? Click here to enlarge

        Even the new smaller Porsche turbo flat fours smoke the old larger NA flat sixes.
        Have you tried telling that to a GT3 owner?

        The four-cylinder engines won't have the same response, rev range, and will generate more heat on the track.

        Although this boosted era is cool for people who like turbo lag and dyno racing it isn't as much fun in the real world.

        Who wants a turbo four over a naturally aspirated Porsche flat-6? Seriously?
      1. ms335i's Avatar
        ms335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by maxnix Click here to enlarge
        For what? Less thermal efficiency and less area under the torque curve? Click here to enlarge

        Even the new smaller Porsche turbo flat fours smoke the old larger NA flat sixes.
        For the simplicity and reliability of a naturally aspirated engine. I also love the throttle response of a NA engine. Plus NA engines can be powerful and torquey (dodge viper).