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    • BMW 'open' to sharing the 503 horsepower S58 engine with Toyota for a 'Super Supra'

      This likely will not happen but of course Autocar could not help themselves with clickbait. Sites are reading far too much into an interview Autocar conducted with BMW M boss Markus Flasch.


      First of all, Autocar does not even get the details correct:

      Quote Originally Posted by Autocar
      But if the deal was done, it would make it the first BMW M engine to be sold as a customer unit, and to feature in a third-party car, since the McLaren F1ís S70 V12.
      This is incorrect. BMW sold the S54, S65, S63, and S85 motors to Wiesman for their GT cars. BMW also sold the S62 V8 to Morgan for their Aero GT3. Ascari also purchased the S62 V8. BMW selling M motors to third parties is nothing new.

      The McLaren F1 V12 was not even a motor BMW ever offered in a street car anyway so it was essentially a custom built engine for McLaren.

      Toyota is cheap. They will not build a Supra with the S58 even if BMW would sell it to them:

      Quote Originally Posted by Markus Flasch
      Weíve certainly made no offer to supply the engine to Toyota Ė and no request has been made, as far as I know. But itís an interesting idea, if unlikely for now. It would be a lot for us to give away, you might say. But Iíd never say never.
      Keep producing clickbait Autocar.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: BMW 'open' to sharing the 503 horsepower S58 engine with Toyota for a 'Super Supra' started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 7 Comments
      1. Eleventeen's Avatar
        Eleventeen -
        I just figured an S58 powered Supra was a given. If that doesnít happen, it will be a real disappointment.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Eleventeen Click here to enlarge
        I just figured an S58 powered Supra was a given. If that doesn’t happen, it will be a real disappointment.
        Why would you think that?
      1. Eleventeen's Avatar
        Eleventeen -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Why would you think that?
        Similar to the 2JZ-GE and 2JZ-GTE lineup in the MKIV, I figured the new Supra would get an S58 option in addition to the B58 base engine. It doesnít sound like Toyota is interested in selling a high performance version, though.
      1. Sticky2's Avatar
        Sticky2 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Eleventeen Click here to enlarge
        Similar to the 2JZ-GE and 2JZ-GTE lineup in the MKIV, I figured the new Supra would get an S58 option in addition to the B58 base engine. It doesn’t sound like Toyota is interested in selling a high performance version, though.
        You forget it has a B48 option?
      1. Eleventeen's Avatar
        Eleventeen -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky2 Click here to enlarge
        You forget it has a B48 option?
        Yes, I didnít realize that was actually happening (although I remember seeing it mentioned at some point). I guess the B58 is the high performance option. Iím not sure what Toyota has against HP these days, but itís quite disappointing.
      1. nbrigdan's Avatar
        nbrigdan -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        S85 motors to Wiesman for their GT cars. BMW also sold the S62 V8 to Morgan for their Aero GT3.
        Even I knew these ones and I'm not even a BMW guy... Was the autocar journalist born yesterday?
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Eleventeen Click here to enlarge
        Yes, I didn’t realize that was actually happening (although I remember seeing it mentioned at some point). I guess the B58 is the high performance option. I’m not sure what Toyota has against HP these days, but it’s quite disappointing.
        Toyota only made this car because BMW gave them the drivetrain and chassis. They don't care.