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    • BMW's future styling direction revealed - Giant flared nostrils

      This is a bit of satire but it is not far from the truth. Back in the Bangle era BMW's obsession was huge rear ends. Now, the styling language dictates giant grilles. They give modern BMW's the appearance of giant nostrils.



      Seriously, take a look at the new BMW X7:


      How did we go from this?


      To this?


      Less is more BMW...

      This article was originally published in forum thread: BMW's future styling direction revealed - Giant flared nostrils started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Bowser330's Avatar
        Bowser330 -
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      1. F87Source's Avatar
        F87Source -
        The photo renderings are way too exaggerated imo, the one on the x7 isnt that bad. From what I see (in the perspective of a track junkie), the larger the nostrils the better because it allows more airflow to the radiator and aux coolers for the transmission, and gives the aftermarket more room to put additional coolers. The current grilles imo dont open wide enough and could be wider to flow more air to the mid section of the radiator. That's why the m2C has a larger grille design vs. the m2. I mean most other manufactures have grilles that extend alot further down offering better cooling. Like the gt350r for instance, there is a super wide grille offering alot of realestate for air flow.

        Sometimes BMW is actually doing a good thing, it may not look appealing, but if you want to keep the classic bmw kidney grilles and get more air flow, looks may have to be sacrificed for the greater good.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by F87Source Click here to enlarge
        The photo renderings are way too exaggerated imo
        That's the point, isn't it?
      1. maxnix's Avatar
        maxnix -
        The wrap over the hood grills will look really dated in 5 years.
      1. F87Source's Avatar
        F87Source -
        Yes, but what I'm trying to say is the larger grilles aren't that bad and it's just over exaggerated.
      1. 93siro's Avatar
        93siro -
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        Yes, but what I'm trying to say is the larger grilles aren't that bad and it's just over
        exaggerated.
        It's that bad.
      1. F87Source's Avatar
        F87Source -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 93siro Click here to enlarge
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        It's that bad.
        Well everyone has their opinion, to me it's not that bad. I'd rather have that and more air flow, than the smaller opening and not be able to support additional cooling. Even now on the m2 the kidney grilles dont open wide enough for placement of aux coolers.
      1. quattr0's Avatar
        quattr0 -
        Fish are friends, not food ;-)
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by F87Source Click here to enlarge
        I'd rather have that and more air flow
        The air intake doesn't just come from the grilles...
      1. F87Source's Avatar
        F87Source -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The air intake doesn't just come from the grilles...
        The lower center grille has to pass through a heat exchanger or intercooler.... That already slows down the air velocity and increases the temp so it makes it inefficient to keep cooling more stuff. The kidney grilles allow fresh air to directly hit the radiator and the larger they are the more room you have to stuff more coolers top side. You can't do that with the bottom opening because like I said before the intercooler or heat exchanger is there, and BMW mounts the crash bar low in the front bumper so you can't increase the opening size.

        So where do you propose additional air comes in with tiny kidney grilles, a majority of the radiator would not have direct exposure to head on airflow. Plus if you want to put more coolers in where do you put them?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by F87Source Click here to enlarge
        So where do you propose additional air comes in with tiny kidney grilles, a majority of the radiator would not have direct exposure to head on airflow. Plus if you want to put more coolers in where do you put them?
        I don't seem to have an issue with the coolers on my M3 including my water-air intercooler?

        Plus a DCT cooler, radiator, etc.
      1. F87Source's Avatar
        F87Source -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I don't seem to have an issue with the coolers on my M3 including my water-air intercooler?

        Plus a DCT cooler, radiator, etc.
        Well maybe on the street, but that much additional cooling isn't very space demanding. For instance if I wanted to put a manual transmission cooler, a diff cooler ran to the front, and run an aux oil cooler for the track there would be an issue because you can't expect good cooling performance stacking a bunch of thick cores infront of each other, and you can't cool stuff behind those cores with hot air. So you'd be limited to selecting only one or two of the above options before you run into space constraints.

        Next issue is when you start pushing things to the limit like on the track where you need more air flow and heat becomes an issue vs. drag racing or street use where these same issues may not pop up. So if you had a wider opening you could effectively cool more of the radiator.

        This is why I am a big fan of the larger grilles so you can have room for more stuff without having to start layering radiators in front of each other, one or two stacked should be fine, but if you require more room then it will become an issue. A larger grille would also allow more fresh air into the engine bay which is a good thing.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by F87Source Click here to enlarge
        This is why I am a big fan of the larger grilles so you can have room for more stuff without having to start layering radiators in front of each other, one or two stacked should be fine, but if you require more room then it will become an issue. A larger grille would also allow more fresh air into the engine bay which is a good thing.
        I understand your point I just haven't run into any cooling issues due to the size of the grilles that couldn't be remedied with the quality of the cooling and design of the coolers.
      1. F87Source's Avatar
        F87Source -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I understand your point I just haven't run into any cooling issues due to the size of the grilles that couldn't be remedied with the quality of the cooling and design of the coolers.
        Yeah that's true, but sometimes when you really push it on the track even upgraded cooling fails and you have to go custom. The reason why is the upgraded stuff has to fit in the factory location and sometimes that means a significantly larger cooler isn't possible so they focus on better efficency with fins etc. When you go custom the next limiting factor is space and air flow. The worst was when I built my frs because there was only one opening in the bumper and you had to stack everything in front of each in that space so air flow was absolutely garbage. So I had to make custom ducts to divert air behind so of these coolers.
      1. FRD135i's Avatar
        FRD135i -
        Careful, BMW might see this and run with it.
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      1. Bowser330's Avatar
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        these pictures are hilarious
      1. 93siro's Avatar
        93siro -
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        Is it too hard to get design cues from this car above?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 93siro Click here to enlarge
        Is it too hard to get design cues from this car above?
        They did and people complained:

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