I went to their site, I did a quick search for dyno gains or something, all I saw was what they wrote. No dyno graphs, no before and after. Maybe you can show me an example of how their heads are better than the competitions?

thanks Tony for posting that because I looked and it's not there, anywhere! So, you uncovered an issue with our email. thanks again!

Please don't take that as complaining. I seen it as an opportunity that we are very grateful for. He is looking for content and it's advertising. Which could turn into more of a relationship. It's just that we haven't gotten that far into this to make any announcements besides it's here and we are doing something with it. It all comes in time. If people were in love with the process as much as the answers it would be a different conversation sometimes.

I can agree with this. Joe's track record of stealing peoples social media posts without permission, and posting them here can get annoying at times. At the very least he should ask permission before doing so. Then vendors won't have to answer questions they may or may not be ready for...

And this is exactly why I hate when he does it. Just let the companies make a formal post themselves when they are ready.

Oh no? Looks like you better get a more thorough person checking your emails sir. :think: I already have a local place doing our heads, but always interested in new stuff, looks like you guys are too cool for that. That's fine with us, we look forward to the results from your heads. Cheers!

At least HeadgamesDave has formally now met HeadcaseTony; and everyone else just relax let this guy do his thing... he's no newbie and is certainly not beating down doors to sell his stuff here. Rob

we just have not gotten that far yet. We have yet to start a post here saying HEY! HeadGames "N54" head or any BMW head is available. Sticky has taken the posts and posted them here. Because we have taken aim. Calm the tits. Results will be coming

you DID NOT email. But, don't. We don't need your type here.

I do not think that is in question. I think the dilemma is if you are going to sell a platform on a product, you have to show some sort of results right? I mean I guess not everyone, look at DocRace and that intake manifold, but I digress. Either post before, and after flow numbers on the head, or before, and after dyno numbers. When asking someone to spend what I assume would be close to $3000+ this should be standard...

This is perfect Marty! We don't share our numbers because it's so confusing for the novice guy to figure it out. Even for me, I flow something and look online to compare sometimes and it's super difficult to read and decipher it because of how it was flowed. There is soooo much that goes into this. We are not racing flow benches. So, a guy could be looking at our head with stock size valves, and a non- hogged out port and take the flow numbers (if we provided them) and look online and find a head that was ported and it flows 330@.500 while our head flows 290@.500. Most would think that the more flow is better! But, for 700whp this head is slated for the bigger head would NOT be the one to buy. (these numbers are for demonstration purposes) in-fact it would SLOW the car down! Because it might make more peak, just like the bench but it runs like poop anywhere else in the range. We port with area under the curve in mind. And, we don't share numbers on any genre we deal with. You can call that shady, or bad marketing. But, the real shadiness and bad marketing is in inflating numbers or giving your numbers that don't have any relevance to your application but saying they do. Our cylinder heads have shown what we have learned on the bench. We are not paying someone else to flow them. We are not a shop that works on turbo's or cars or parts and selling a head. Cylinder heads are what we do! That's it!

One good thing about living in a cold climate is people are less likely to come here vs. say Cali or Florida. That being said we still have plenty of illegals up in Boston. 20 years ago the pizza shop I worked in everyone was basically illegal except the owner, manager, and me. Helped keep costs down obviously, the owner was a scum bag. Interestingly enough they all had cars and drivers licenses.

Most upgraded twins claim you can hit at redline 500whp on 93 octane. GCs claim like 575whp or something on 93 redline iirc. Go that route unless you really want to buy a new car. I would continue to run meth personally. It's simple once installed.

not if he wanted to keep his job, so no he really couldnt of said no pot meet kettle- your invite started off with an insult so not really an invite... I still dont think you understand what "internet warrior" means.... it would entail me threatening you, which i have never done..... again, educate yourself before you use words that you dont understand if anything you are the internet warrior with all the personal insults that makes trump smarter than you because he understood that the caravan could follow their trajectory and continue to move north and get to our border, something you didnt understand and foresee Hillary Clinton ? :) oh wait, Ivanka did NOT send any CLASSIFIED emails or delete any emails, and complied with all The Presidential Records Act requires that all official communication by White House officials be archived, and she already turned over all such communications from her personal account months ago for that purpose (something Hillary did not comply with).... this is another MSM nothing burger oh btw jared, Former Chief White House Strategist Steve Bannon, former Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, former Chief White House economic advisor Gary Cohn, and Senior Policy Adviser Stephen Miller And former FBI Director James Comey and FBI agent Peter Strzok all did the same thing as Ivanka , where is their news story? https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ivanka-trumps-lawyer-slams-misinformation-being-peddled-after-report-that-she-used-private-email-for-government-business as usual, the Washington post, with their "breaking news" , puts out an initially false statement and then later retracts and corrects their statement: The Post acknowledged later in its story that Trump's actions "could have" broken that law, after initially citing officials as saying that she had in fact violated federal rules.

And would proudly share your expertise and results.

a well shaped port will have plenty of velocity for low lift flow figures, I agree the some hogged out ports that are not properly shaped will only pick up in higher lifts but if you're a professional you know better than just making it bigger to get the flow

So the truth comes out, I am correct that Bush could have said no. I gave you an invite and that was your response...your a class act. You google every statement I make yet you can't look up Zuma? obviously my comments about you being a 250 lb internet warrior are true. When trump made the comment about the invasion they were 800 miles away. Next thing you know you will support his baby girl using personal email for White House business.

Sometimes the numbers are confusing. When comparing stock ports to ported, usually you see- Stock ports flow better at lower lifts, Ported flow better at higher lifts. So if their flow numbers show less flow at the first 50% lift- Everyone will dog them and they will lose power and TQ at lower lift/less throttle/drivability. Then if their numbers show better flow over 50% lift- Everyone praises them and they make more power at WOT/dyno. If the ported heads flow better at lifts higher than what is achieved by the cam, that is worthless.

Pretty shady not publishing head flow numbers while asking for money. If I went out and wanted to get a set of heads for any domestic vehicle the flowsheets are publicly available for just about any offering I can think of. So it really isn't something outlandish to expect flow numbers for something you are going to be putting significant coin into. I'm sure they publish their prices so might as well see what you're paying for

You're going to get gains from proper head work regardless given the n54 head flows terrible from the factory. Still sharing numbers is part of the game. Seems like either you get a company with good work and lack marketing skills or vice versa.