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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5mall5nail5 Click here to enlarge
    And the sheep are still timid in their own naivity



    But, they have a porn star repping it... its got to be good especially when you attach the wastehead and the vacuum makes your car go faster. More boost, like a vacuum.
    don't think i've displayed any timid, naive, fanboy/sheep behavior or any combination of the three with regards to HPF.
    i suppose the only reason i posted the above is because i yawned out loud when i read yours.
    i do appreciate you not denying your consistently similar commentary on their efforts though, but its rather sad because you have alot to offer the community and i think your commentary would hold more weight/credibility if you weren't so openly bitter and harsh with every product release.
    you've been dead on in the past on some of their shortcomings but you throw it away EVERYTIME with the way you convey it.

    back on topic: the only benefit of this manifold i can gather from the video is ease of installation and a standardized exhaust manifold. both of which really arent useful for anyone who already has a functioning exhaust.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by HPF Chris Click here to enlarge
    Hey guys. Thanks for feedback. Our turbo manifolds are definitely made in the USA. CNCd cast manifolds like ours have significantly better tolerances than what we were getting with the other manifold. There just isn't much room in the car for the turbo system, so a 1mm variation in a bolt hole can mean the difference between the kit fitting or not. That and the 19 lb weight loss along with the backfire problems with the old manifold from the Orings leaking over time were the main reasons. Precision stopped taking back our failed turbos and we now warranty every one out of our own pocket. Now add the cost of the other manifold plus the cost of the failed turbo and the ruined oil scavenge pump plus the labor to continue swapping turbos and the extra labor to make other parts fit if the bolt holes aren't perfect and most importantly the downtime and hassle for the customer and you have the reason we improved this component of out turbo kit Click here to enlarge

    So with that said in addition to everything above, we improved the runner design, created more clearance for the intake pipe to bring it further away from the turbo manifold, made it far easier to install, vastly improved the consistency from manifold to manifold and drastically reduced the build time to get them produced. It's a huge win for our customers, for our shop and for our dealers.

    Chris
    Uhm.... Tighter tolerance with a sand cast unit vs billet CNC? Come on.....

    Also judging from video, ports etc on a billet manifold are going to be MUCH smoother internally then the casting.
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    http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum....php?t=1625881

    Since we are on the topic of HPF.... LOL......... How is no one commenting on the fact that the boost curve looks like it belongs at Universal Studios?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ar design Click here to enlarge
    http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum....php?t=1625881

    Since we are on the topic of HPF.... LOL......... How is no one commenting on the fact that the boost curve looks like it belongs at Universal Studios?
    I see you have been neg for commenting about the graphs I got alot of that as well in the past. The Steed Speed manifold is made better, and will out flow this mani unless some settings on the dyno are played with to make it seem better.
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    The hate is strong here #yoda

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
    I see you have been neg for commenting about the graphs I got alot of that as well in the past. The Steed Speed manifold is made better, and will out flow this mani unless some settings on the dyno are played with to make it seem better.
    Couldnt care less. People can bury their heads in the sand and give me neg rep all day long. *shrug*
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ar design Click here to enlarge
    Couldnt care less. People can bury their heads in the sand and give me neg rep all day long. *shrug*
    Good point.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dreikraft Click here to enlarge
    don't think i've displayed any timid, naive, fanboy/sheep behavior or any combination of the three with regards to HPF.
    i suppose the only reason i posted the above is because i yawned out loud when i read yours.
    i do appreciate you not denying your consistently similar commentary on their efforts though, but its rather sad because you have alot to offer the community and i think your commentary would hold more weight/credibility if you weren't so openly bitter and harsh with every product release.
    you've been dead on in the past on some of their shortcomings but you throw it away EVERYTIME with the way you convey it.

    back on topic: the only benefit of this manifold i can gather from the video is ease of installation and a standardized exhaust manifold. both of which really arent useful for anyone who already has a functioning exhaust.
    Sorry bro - a billet steel manifold welded by one of the best fabricators and designers on the NA continent is being "over ruled" by a $#@!ty sand cast iron crap tube. The claims they make are bizarre. My comments wouldn't be so similar if they actually did something progressive and intelligent. S54... slap a turbo on.... modular manifold with internal CNC'ing, ok winning this.... AEM piggyback... losing. Ok making some good power, expanding to more and more boost... winning this.... contract up with Steed Speed so they sand cast a garbage manifold and try and pitch it to the sheep as "better"... losing.

    Its just unreal how their manifold was the best in the world... until they made another one that is clearly inferior. They talk about bolt holes moving after being welded... on fixture, cmon now. Yet, they have razor accurate holes/machining on a cast piece? Too funny. Does anyone here (or at HPF) actually have any idea regarding cast vs. billet steel manufacturing? Sigh. Its a sad place over there on BFC FI. Then we've got Flipper or Falcon or whatever posting like she has a clue telling us the most ridiculous things. Sigh.


    BattaM3 I saw you on 13 yesterday - car looks awesome!


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    Thank you! The outside of my car needs a complete redo tho. $#@!s beat up! After seeing my boys custom widebody today, I NEED THAT!! Looks awesome stock like just 2in wider in each side. Damn I need more money.

    Suspension first then it's back to looks!!

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    I work on 13. Tiny garage next to bank. If my car is there or black vette. Stop by. Mostly just
    me and my dad there.

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    Yeah you actually ripped by my friend mike's place - hes got a ton of E30s out in the front yard on durham road


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by topendusa Click here to enlarge
    Very Nice! Making me want to make the jump to the HPF family.
    Watching that video definitely makes me want to jump on top of some of the HPF family as well.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5mall5nail5 Click here to enlarge
    Sorry bro - a billet steel manifold welded by one of the best fabricators and designers on the NA continent is being "over ruled" by a $#@!ty sand cast iron crap tube. The claims they make are bizarre. My comments wouldn't be so similar if they actually did something progressive and intelligent. S54... slap a turbo on.... modular manifold with internal CNC'ing, ok winning this.... AEM piggyback... losing. Ok making some good power, expanding to more and more boost... winning this.... contract up with Steed Speed so they sand cast a garbage manifold and try and pitch it to the sheep as "better"... losing.

    Its just unreal how their manifold was the best in the world... until they made another one that is clearly inferior. They talk about bolt holes moving after being welded... on fixture, cmon now. Yet, they have razor accurate holes/machining on a cast piece? Too funny. Does anyone here (or at HPF) actually have any idea regarding cast vs. billet steel manufacturing? Sigh. Its a sad place over there on BFC FI. Then we've got Flipper or Falcon or whatever posting like she has a clue telling us the most ridiculous things. Sigh.


    BattaM3 I saw you on 13 yesterday - car looks awesome!
    All correct Jon.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
    Price is 945.00 I think that is a bit high for a cast manifold, and there is no proof it flows better then the steed speed manifold they have used.
    Isn't this cheaper than the Steed Speed?
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    I live right around the corner from that e30 dude. I live in snowball.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by spdu4ea Click here to enlarge
    I'd be surprised if it flows better, but it doesn't look like it should flow too much worse.

    While there have been some issues with exhaust leaks (AMG ETR comes to mind), I'd bet this is all about a dispute with Steed Speed. That was a manifold "designed exclusively for HPF" yet Steed Speed has been going behind HPF's back and selling them at $1500 vs HPF's $1950. That's a ~30% markup from HPF which suggests to me that HPF is probably buying these for at or just under Steed Speed's MSRP of $1500...


    There is a fine line between genius and insanity, and I have to wonder which line Chris crossed in hiring a model (let alone a suicide girl-type model) to showcase HPF's stuff -- especially when those resources could be been used to make progress on the stalled 335 project (18-month overdue release date just pushed back again to Dec)...
    I think you present a very interesting theory.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5mall5nail5 Click here to enlarge
    throw a girl with fake boobs in the camera yeah that'll impress us all.
    I'm kind of impressed.

    I'd be buying an HPF kit right now if they had her doing jumping jacks.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dreikraft Click here to enlarge
    glad to see the unrequited are still alive and vocal
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by spdu4ea Click here to enlarge
    Steed Speed just gave HPF the one finger salute and dropped their price to $1000 today. Not only mildly amusing for those into schadenfreude, but fantastic news for people wanting to DIY
    Haha! Wow how I wish I checked this thread earlier.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by spdu4ea Click here to enlarge
    Back to the new cast manifolds -- Chris says the new ones are made in the USA which is definitely something to appreciate. I don't think they should give up much in flow compared to steed speed (nothing another .5-1psi couldn't fix) and I bet the flow difference would be negligible after extrude honing or otherwise smoothing out the inside. Hanging less weight off the exhaust studs is also a plus.

    Still, I'd like to see how they hold up after a few years and I see absolutely no reason for any existing customers to switch from the CNC to cast.
    Is it because it is cast that you feel there will be more resistance? Why do you feel the Steed Speed unit is a better piece that is more efficient?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Isn't this cheaper than the Steed Speed?
    Only 55 bucks cheaper, and not worth it.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
    Only 55 bucks cheaper, and not worth it.
    Yes, I posted that before I saw Steed Speed decided to "get even" so to speak and make theirs $1k. The general consensus seems to be that for about equal money the Steed Speed is a superior piece.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Yes, I posted that before I saw Steed Speed decided to "get even" so to speak and make theirs $1k. The general consensus seems to be that for about equal money the Steed Speed is a superior piece.
    Now its time to find out if they lowered the price for steed speed mani for the m50 based motor?Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
    Now its time to find out if they lowered the price for steed speed mani for the m50 based motor?Click here to enlarge
    Guessing that is a pretty nice piece as well?

    Seeing this manifold for $1k makes me more convinced than ever build your own setup is the way to go. Get the manifold, pick your turbo, use the factory intake manifold, get Pro-Efi, other necessary pieces, and enjoy.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Guessing that is a pretty nice piece as well?

    Seeing this manifold for $1k makes me more convinced than ever build your own setup is the way to go. Get the manifold, pick your turbo, use the factory intake manifold, get Pro-Efi, other necessary pieces, and enjoy.
    Pretty much exactly the same design.
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