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    VTT Stage 2/2+ Release/Intro Pricing Thread

    Very happy to announce the New & Improved VTT Stage 2 and 2+ Turbos!


    While our new Stage 2 and Stage 2+ turbos have been for sale for a little while, we thought we'd do an official post about them and offer group buy/intro pricing to the first 25 individuals using the code VTTSTG2GB. This is first come first served, once the code is used the full amount of times it is disabled. Let's get into the details:


    VTT Stage 2 and Stage 2+: Building on the past

    Our original stage 2 and stage 2+ turbos were known for being work horses; even though they were released when tuning wasn't as advanced as it is today, we had excellent customer provided dynos from 550 whp daily drivers all the way up to 700 whp. Recognizing the stock exhaust manifold was a significant bottleneck, we released the GC family to alleviate those concerns; problem solved. As awesome as the GC's are, they aren't in everyone's budget. Our new Stage 2 and Stage 2+ offerings are the next step forward in output and tuning potential while remaining more wallet friendly. Read on to see what we've done.


    They're all new

    Not a used, reworked turbo, the new VTT Stage 2 and Stage 2+ offerings are brand new to you; they utilize a cast one piece N54 manifold (see below for why that's awesome) and our own custom compressor and turbine combinations. Core charge? Done. Want to keep your stock ones? Go ahead, throw them in a box and hold on to them if you want to ever return the car to stock and sell it. We don't use cores for these any more. Brand new product, less money out of your pocket. Win-win.


    A better design starts in the manifold

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    current stock frame turbo manifolds choke down to a very tight 1.25” diameter passageway before entering the turbo housing. We found this to be a significant bottleneck at about the 700 whp mark give or take a little, depending on how much you like tons of backpressure in your system. Not going to make 700 whp? It's still a problem; greater backpressure means your engine breaths less easily, making you have to run higher boost for a given power level. Our new Stage 2 and 2+ are new (did we mention new?), fully cast housings that open that diameter up from 1.24” to 1.30”, which is a 5% increase in area. They breath a little easier, which helps eliminate excessive back pressure.


    Picking the Right Compressor

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    The stage 2 units have a very versatile and high flowing 16T compressor. The Stage 2+ utilize our own proprietary compressor that allows for a little extra airflow over the Stage 2 while keeping spool characteristics spot on for daily driving. Check out a closer view of the Stage 2 below:

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    Highly Efficient Turbines

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    Having a new fully cast manifold that outflows the stock variants won't do you a lot of good if you cram an old outdated turbine wheel in there. Both our Stage 2 and Stage 2+ utilize a 9 blade TD04L turbine modeled after the extremely efficient Garrett GT series turbines.


    How to choose which one is right for you

    It's very simple. If you want up to about 600 whp on a stock motor/head; choose the stage 2. If you want up to about 650 whp on a stock motor/head, we recommend Stage 2+. Have a peculiar situation or want our input? Email me and let's start a dialog about how you use the car, fuel, response needs, etc. and we'll get you squared away.


    Stage 2+ Results:

    As expected, these perform. Results shown below are on a stock motor, stock head, 100% E85, with peak boost being 26 psi per MHD, and closer to 24 psi actual (MHD reads high). Timing target was 9*. Note that this is down in power; puzzled we did a compression check and got these results from this lovely tired old motor that came to us with a slight miss during idle:

    #1 : 120 psi
    #2 : 165 psi
    #3 : 95 psi
    #4 : 160 psi
    #5 : 135 psi
    #6 : 160 psi

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    So you see this was not a healthy motor at all; cylinder 3 is down over 40%! So all in all, not bad. This is not indicative of the capability of the new 2+ turbos when properly set up and on a healthy motor; the turbos had a LOT left in them, but out of respect for the owner of the already-tired motor, we stopped trying to get more power.

    To that end, the first Re-released Stage 2 owner (i.e. not the old stage 2 or 2+) that posts a results thread with legitimate dyno that's 600 whp or greater gets a $100 back from us as a tip of the hat. Same story for the re-released Stage 2+, except the power number to shoot for is 650 whp in order for us to give you $100 back. (Note: If you think you're the guy to do that, email me, chris@vargasturbo.com and I'll check it all out, make sure it's legit/you're the first, and get you the money!)


    Intro Pricing/Group Buy:

    I know we said we were going to do a group buy, but we came up with something better; intro pricing for the first 25 sets using a simple code on the website. Price is good until that number (25) is sold, enter code VTTSTG2GB into the website and you'll be good to go.

    With the code, here are the numbers:

    Stage 2's: Regular Price: $1999 Intro Price: $1799

    Stage 2+'s: Regular Price: $2199 Intro Price: $1999

    These need inlets; pick up ours for $100 with turbo purchase. (For first 25 only)
    Stock outlet (hot side charge pipe) will work, but if you want ours, it's $100 extra.


    There is not a better deal on the N54 market for power per dollar, nor does anyone offer all new units at this time except VTT.


    Lead Times:

    We have parts in stock, right now as your eyes are reading these words, to build 15 sets. Those will ship within 2-3 weeks from order. For the last 10 GB sets looking at 30-day lead.


    That's it! Enjoy, we're looking forward to seeing results for these out on the streets.


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    Those blades look really nice. Price is reasonable as well.

    Good luck!

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    VTT has been doing some great things lately. This is by far the best option for the price on the market i can see. I have OG RB turbos this makes me wish they would kick the dirt to justify picking these up!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by liteweight13 Click here to enlarge
    VTT has been doing some great things lately. This is by far the best option for the price on the market i can see. I have OG RB turbos this makes me wish they would kick the dirt to justify picking these up!
    There is always going to be something newer and better coming. If you sit around waiting and never pull the trigger you will just end up wishing you did.

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    I agree! The last year has added so many upgrades to make big power. New Turbo offerings, Meth plates, transmission flash, coils. Really a great time to have an N54. These cars are taking off in the tuner community big time. And very few engine failures at 700+ HP is a great sign. Just cant wait when a good hpfp happens.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by liteweight13 Click here to enlarge
    Just cant wait when a good hpfp happens.
    Don't hold your breath.

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    Why do these castings look EXACTLY like frankenturbos? Are they cast in the same place in China?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fredcase Click here to enlarge
    Why do these castings look EXACTLY like frankenturbos? Are they cast in the same place in China?
    Yes the casting is from China, probably the turbine too.

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    It might be because there are 3 holes that come off the head, and they flow into a turbine that has 2 holes in it that have to line up to fit stock exhaust components.

    Let's say for argument's sake that they are the same. Why does that matter? The key components are the CHRA, turbine and compressor wheels, and compressor housing. While there is indeed some flow characteristics in the exhaust turbine housing, these are "stock replacement" style housings and not some 900 HP flowing manifolds and housings.

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    Those components are also likely cheap chinese also. At least vtt has the capabilities to assemble and balance these properly.

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    Amazing pricing! I paid roughly $3800 for 2+ turbos a couple years ago. This is a steal.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fredcase Click here to enlarge
    Why do these castings look EXACTLY like frankenturbos? Are they cast in the same place in China?
    I don't know or particularly care what Frankenturbo does or is doing.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by The Ghost Click here to enlarge
    Amazing pricing! I paid roughly $3800 for 2+ turbos a couple years ago. This is a steal.
    Thank you sir. Always loved seeing you push those. We're curious how the new 2+ would compare to the old 2+ when you really lean on them; the manifolds flow better now but the old 2+ had a larger compressor by a small margin. I expect at these prices we'll see some good customer results shortly.

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    You are full of $#@!. These are the exact same castings as frankenturbo and the flea bay junk. Tony said in another thread on another forum he knew where frankenturbo was getting these castings and was going to use them in the future.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fredcase Click here to enlarge
    You are full of $#@!. These are the exact same castings as frankenturbo and the flea bay junk. Tony said in another thread on another forum he knew where frankenturbo was getting these castings and was going to use them in the future.
    Does it truly matter? I mean, unless they are made out of aluminum foil or something. If they work...they work.

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    Sorry dp

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    Nice, look forward to seeing what these sets can do. I ran the older Stage 2+ turbos at 23psi (582whp) on my previous DD and they never skipped a beat... might have to pick up an n54-powered car again lol.
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    Looks like we have shaken things on the platform again. Low, and behold as if on Que here comes Mr. RB Turbo with his usual spiel. Lets a do a little break down of VTT releases in the N54 world, the RB initial reaction to them, then his actual long term reaction.

    First VTT event: VTT comes on the scene breaking up RB's monopoly announcing lower priced upgrades from a turbo company with a long history, and more options, including thrust upgrades, billet wheels, 9 blade turbines, stage 1 turbos, etc.

    RB initial Reaction: Bash us as not knowing what we are doing. Make long winded posts actually telling people thrust upgrades, and billet wheels are a "Rip off", Stage 1 turbos do not do anything, 9 blade turbines are a gimmick, etc

    RB Actual long term reaction: Eventually add every single item we offered to the N54 platform he bashed to his own line up, including thrust upgrades, billet wheels, 9 blade turbines, and Stage 1 upgrades

    Second VTT event: VTT releases Stage 2+ turbos with 19T compressor wheels, and silicone inlets, silicone charge pipes, makes over 600WHP at a competitive price, and again shakes up the platform

    RB Initial reaction: Bash the upgrades saying we are lying about them being stock frames, he actually sends Shiv to the dyno to crawl around under our car, and see what we are running. Says silicone is possibly the worst choice for inlet / CP upgrades, calls them among other things worthless, etc, etc

    RB Actual long term reaction: RB of course goes back to the drawing board, and a year later offers his "stealth" "EVO" turbo line up which low, and behold use 19T compressors, similar turbine wheels to our own. He produces almost an exact copy our of silicone inlets, and eventually charge pipe adds them to his line up. To this day, no one has posted a decent dyno if an RB Evo set up yet he sold many $5000+ stock frame upgrades to unsuspecting people

    Third VTT Event: Release of the GC Line up of turbo with true 700+WHP capability, two piece design, truly offering the first radical new turbo to the N54 platform

    RB Initial Reaction: Bash the designs saying we somehow copied his terrible EVO turbos, then bash them as being made over seas. Next he tried to go behind our backs, and order directly from our supplier AFTER bashing the turbos, he is denied, and goes back to selling the same garbage he has always sold

    RB Long term Reaction: He doesn't have much for these, he does not have the resources to bring something of this caliber to the table. He revisits his business plan, and offers CHRA's, and other things we have long offered

    Forth VTT Event: We shake things up again, offering fully new N54 turbos with no cores 600+WHP capability for under $2000. Each turbo is assembled, and balanced at our facility, same as all the others. We are able to offer these low prices, by locating high quality, low cost turbine housings that we have modified to suit our needs, we have custom compressor housings cast with 2" inlets so we no longer need to sleeve them, have our own bearing housings cast, etc. This eliminates the need for cores, and shakes up the platform yet again, as prices continue to come down for high quality hand built turbochargers

    RB initial reaction: Have someone make a post for him bashing these upgrades as being cheap, and non effective products he would never offer, etc etc

    RB Long Term reaction: No doubt these will make their way into the RB line up at some point, he will call them something stupid like RB copy cats or something similar, and then say he always knew they were a great way to sell cost effective, performance oriented upgrades, etc. (remains to be seen)


    Now that we are done with that initial exercise. Lets get down to the nitty gritty. These upgrades are EXACTLY the same as our original Stage 2 units, in quality, and performance. We just went out, and spent the money to have some parts cast, and found some parts already cast that we ordered, vetted, and found to be high quality, and better flowing for less money. This means we can buy in bulk, assemble in house, and pass the saving along to the customer. That someone with a long standing reputation of bashing every time we shake things up, then adapting to that same strategy after times passes, is guess what, doing it again. Bottom line, don't buy into it, the past reveals exactly what is going on here. Yes I would be upset too, Rob went from having a platform wide monopoly to having basically a small piece of the pie. He has descending into obscurity. Of course he will come in here, and tell you how he still sells X units per week, how great he is doing etc, etc. Bottom line is, anything RB does we do not even take notice it is such a small blip on our radar yet here he is again scared for his business life, and bashing when we bring new things to the platform.

    That Rob wants to try to tell everyone that he has knowledge of the parts we are using is again his usual smear tactics. As for turbine material, in many turbo application mild steel, or cast iron is actually preferred over stainless, it will not warp over time, and is much less prone to cracking. That he wants to attack the use of Cast Iron over stainless is again him doing what he does. Just about every turbo manufacture on earth uses cast iron for turbine housings, including Garrett.

    The only thing to take away from this is, we are offering high quality upgrades with parts we either had cast specifically for us, or we sourced, and got a deal on by buying in bulk. Don't believe the hype of the guy who has done this at every turn for the past 4 years as he steadily loses market share to more innovative companies.

    We appreciate the support! OK Chris back to your regular scheduled programming...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Chris@VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Thank you sir. Always loved seeing you push those. We're curious how the new 2+ would compare to the old 2+ when you really lean on them; the manifolds flow better now but the old 2+ had a larger compressor by a small margin. I expect at these prices we'll see some good customer results shortly.

    Chris
    I wouldn't mind doing this comparison. I used to have the older stage 2+ turbos (TheGhost's old set). GCs just seem like the next step though.

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