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    That's because he's a 6mt car. DCT single turbo n54 wouldn't have a problem like I said before it's HP that makes a car fast. The car that has the widest powerband wins. N54s currently make way more power then the s65 but the only high hp n54s are 6mt. It'll be interesting once we start seeing high hp DCT and auto N54s
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Abacus38 Click here to enlarge
    That's because he's a 6mt car. DCT single turbo n54 wouldn't have a problem like I said before it's HP that makes a car fast. The car that has the widest powerband wins. N54s currently make way more power then the s65 but the only high hp n54s are 6mt. It'll be interesting once we start seeing high hp DCT and auto N54s
    You do have a point here.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Payam@BMS Click here to enlarge
    The video does speak for itself. The Gintani car had no chance vs me, non of the 3 SC m3s that night had a chance.

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    That is from 2015 and doesn't really prove anything, you were making way way more power.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by subaru335i Click here to enlarge
    That is from 2015 and doesn't really prove anything, you were making way way more power.
    Actually it's from 2014 and yes I was making a lot more power than they were however why would I raced them in the trim? That's just unfair and boring when we all know the outcome. I turned it to a lower trim and that's just what happens when you have more power under the graph.
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    So are we going to get some results from the cams or talk about other stuff
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by j_hynson Click here to enlarge
    So are we going to get some results from the cams or talk about other stuff
    Dont think anyone has a running car, that has them or has other issues going on.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Abacus38 Click here to enlarge
    That's because he's a 6mt car. DCT single turbo n54 wouldn't have a problem like I said before it's HP that makes a car fast. The car that has the widest powerband wins. N54s currently make way more power then the s65 but the only high hp n54s are 6mt. It'll be interesting once we start seeing high hp DCT and auto N54s
    A 360 whp 335 vs my 360whp m3 would result in a win for the 335?... Are you sure about that?
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    How did this thread turn into yet another n54 vs s65 battle? The Cams is why I'm here.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Zombie1 Click here to enlarge
    How did this thread turn into yet another n54 vs s65 battle? The Cams is why I'm here.
    When there are no cam results to share the forum reverts to its natural state.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    A 360 whp 335 vs my 360whp m3 would result in a win for the 335?... Are you sure about that?
    360whp N54 has a wider powerband remember its a turbo car compare to an NA one. Its the reason tune only 6mt N54s beat stock 6mt m3s. They both put down around the same whp but N54 car due to being turbo has a wider powerband.
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    Does anyone know where I can find information on these cams? I look at the VAC website and everywhere else for a good while when they were supposed to be on sale and found no mention of them.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Abacus38 Click here to enlarge
    360whp N54 has a wider powerband remember its a turbo car compare to an NA one. Its the reason tune only 6mt N54s beat stock 6mt m3s. They both put down around the same whp but N54 car due to being turbo has a wider powerband.
    No, it doesn't. The same reason the M3 is quicker at the same whp is the same reason a 991 GT3 is quicker and faster than a 991.1 Turbo.

    A tune only N54 has much more power and torque so I'm not sure what you're talking about the same whp. I've beaten N54's withe same whp btw. Badly.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Manic Mechanic Click here to enlarge
    Does anyone know where I can find information on these cams? I look at the VAC website and everywhere else for a good while when they were supposed to be on sale and found no mention of them.

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    That's kind of the problem. There isn't much info to go on even from Schrick. Basically all we have is what I've posted.

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    Thanks Sticky, how are people buying them?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Manic Mechanic Click here to enlarge
    Thanks Sticky, how are people buying them?
    Through VAC for the most part. I think they basically have all the sets that were made except a small handful.

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    Sticky reread what I wrote I said 6mt vs 6mt at 360whp. I've smashed plenty of e92 m3 that were 6mt when at the same power level. DCT makes a big difference esp when are racing against a 6mt n54. Furthermore the powerband is not the same. As a turbo car my power is available across the rev range compare to a NA s65 Whos power band is about 1500rpms
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Abacus38 Click here to enlarge
    Sticky reread what I wrote I said 6mt vs 6mt at 360whp. I've smashed plenty of e92 m3 that were 6mt when at the same power level. DCT makes a big difference esp when are racing against a 6mt n54.
    It sure does but it isn't DCT only as to why the M3 is quick for its power and torque.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Abacus38 Click here to enlarge
    Furthermore the powerband is not the same. As a turbo car my power is available across the rev range compare to a NA s65 Whos power band is about 1500rpms
    Well, that's incorrect. I'd have to look at your dyno to really comment accurately but you don't have power across the rev range as first you need to spool anyway. So, you already have a gap.

    Furthermore, where are you dropping into the powerband on each shift? I highly doubt you keep making power to redline like the M3 so the M3 is always gaining power as it revs due to the flatter curve.

    Yours probably drops off well below redline as the vast majority of N54's do. Basically, it's nothing nothing nothing ok here's the torque and now it's gone. That isn't a wider powerband. That's just a torque spike that tapers off.

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    There's your problem. There's two ways to make power. You either have massive Tq earlier in the rev range or You can make no tq and rely on revs. 360whp N54 isnt worried about spool the stockers spool damn near instantaneous. as far as gear shifts are concern I usually shift at 6000rpm on a 3-4th shift that lands me right around 4500rpms that's about 400wtq so 342 whp. On the m3 shifting at 8k that lands them right about 6krpms. From what I've seen thats 262wtq @6k rpms so you are looking at 300whp. I'm at 40whp advantage. After the shift. DCT is a different ball game since they have more gears and shift quicker.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Abacus38 Click here to enlarge
    You either have massive Tq earlier in the rev range or You can make no tq and rely on revs.
    Pretty sure you can do both. How is UGR making 2500+ again?

    How are Procharged Z06's making 1000+ again? The torque has to come with rpm so...

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    On the m3 shifting at 8k that lands them right about 6krpms.
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    5th 1.390 150 6900
    6th 1.203 173 7300
    7th 1.000 208 7000
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Pretty sure you can do both. How is UGR making 2500+ again?

    How are Procharged Z06's making 1000+ again? The torque has to come with rpm so...



    If you really want to analyze it:

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    Gear / Ratio / Max Speed / RPM drop on upshift
    1st 4.780 44
    2nd 2.933 71 5200
    3rd 2.153 97 6200
    4th 1.678 124 6500
    5th 1.390 150 6900
    6th 1.203 173 7300
    7th 1.000 208 7000
    Final Ratio 3.154
    Redline 8400

    BMW M3 6-speed
    Gear / Ratio / Max Speed / RPM drop on upshift
    1st 4.055 44
    2nd 2.396 75 4900
    3rd 1.582 113 5600
    4th 1.192 150 6300
    5th 1.000 179 7000
    6th 0.872 205 7300
    Final Ratio 3.678
    Redline 8400
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Tony@VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    LOL, gotta love the copy, and paste from M3post...
    Gotta love Tony making assumptions: http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...447#post151447

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Manic Mechanic Click here to enlarge
    Thanks Sticky, how are people buying them?
    You have to email them and they are not in stock.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jt0407 Click here to enlarge
    You have to email them and they are not in stock.
    I guess that means that first batch is already gone.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I guess that means that first batch is already gone.
    and not a single review on them...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jt0407 Click here to enlarge
    and not a single review on them...
    I'm always amazed as to how much stuff is done off the forums. There are guys running these who don't care about any of the online nonsense.

    It just sucks for those of us who want to get info.

    All the best projects seem to be off the record though.

    Hopefully we get something soon.

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