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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by gringotegra Click here to enlarge
    ahaaaaa, that brings up some very interesting points lol...
    Per this: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=946884

    Rob's car is @ 630rwhp on race+meth just like the other Stage 2 cars

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by gringotegra Click here to enlarge
    LOL, dude honda's make less tq than these cars and are in the 9's thats not the factor here...


    Its GEARING that makes it all work... F1 cars make low ass tq yet they are fast as hell, how do they do that? RPM + GEARING....

    In all honesty you want to be at the top of 4th when crossing the line... Problem i see is if Rob was at top of 4th @ 137 then the higher powered cars will need to shift into 5th which will hurt the ET/MPH... Taller tires or changing the final drive will take car of that, or rev those motors out!
    A Honda weights 900kg that is why it need less hp/torque to make 9sec passes.

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    I want to see what this will do with one of the new Borg Warner EFR turbos. A EFR 76/70 with 1.05 a/r.......

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by daytonaM3 Click here to enlarge
    A Honda weights 900kg that is why it need less hp/torque to make 9sec passes.
    A well setup honda can run a 9 sec pass with 650whp/400tq weighing in at 2400lbs... my car runs mid 10's with 320tq weighing in at 2550.. TQ is not the issue here

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by gringotegra Click here to enlarge
    A well setup honda can run a 9 sec pass with 650whp/400tq weighing in at 2400lbs... my car runs mid 10's with 320tq weighing in at 2550.. TQ is not the issue here
    Yes, but having a fast Honda is like being smart for a retard.

    I respect Honda tuning by the way, I also respect the mentally challenged for their struggle.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DakarE36 Click here to enlarge
    Rob's car did 724rwhp for 1 glory dyno pull and then they turned it way down before delivering it back to him.

    The 137mph trap speed was due to faulty timing equipment at the dragstrip he visited: http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...raps-disproved

    Rob's actual trap speeds are ~132mph after timing equipment was fixed/replaced.

    Nothing against Rob--he is a very stand-up guy and was a victim of poorly maintained track equipment.
    Very well said.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 600whp S4 Click here to enlarge
    A 630 whp s4 that weights 3600lbs went 10.50s at 140 with a 1.8 sixty foot if a hpf car with 740whp only trapped 137 something is up. A 1.8 sixty foot can be achieved fairly easy even if the diff is like glass. Ive seen z06s roll off the light like there at a stop light and make 1.8 sixty foots on street tires. Look MHP's 10 sec C63 only cut a 1.8 sixty foot and ran tens at 130 with a lot more weight and about 200whp less then evil robs car.
    He wasn't running 700+ whp when he trapped that and that trap was not accurate anyway.

    Z06's weigh nothing and have a good amount of torque without lag so not a fair comparison.

    MHP's C63's are launching with autos, easier to 60 foot.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Yes, but having a fast Honda is like being smart for a retard.

    I respect Honda tuning by the way, I also respect the mentally challenged for their struggle.
    more like being smart in general lol, cost 1/2 as much and goes faster....

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by gringotegra Click here to enlarge
    more like being smart in general lol, cost 1/2 as much and goes faster....
    FWD = who cares.

    I really do like honda modding though and what they do with those motors in NA form. I still do not understand why BMW motors do not get pushed NA like Honda motors do. Likely a matter of $ and well, anyone and everyone mods hondas.
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    I'm building a civic for DD.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BattaM3 Click here to enlarge
    I'm building a civic for DD.
    Just for fun?
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    Pretty much. Can do almost all work myself. I bought my girls 96 civic ex coupe just drive.
    It's boring tho. I know a nice Honda crowd get me what I need for good price.
    Probably do engine swap and turbo kit.

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    Probably GSR engine and turbo. I still might get a
    e36m or 89 325is. I daliy drive the hpf car. That's about to stop.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by gringotegra Click here to enlarge
    3600lbs and went 140 traps with only 630whp?

    i call bs, either its lighter than that, made more power than that, track was messed up or it did 630 through an Auto...? The power to weight does not add up to that trap...

    A 650whp Evo that weighs the same will do mid 130's...well i guess they weigh more like 3400-3500 but still... Hell a 600whp new Z06 will trap 132-134 and they weigh alot less than 3600


    are you for real? MHPs car is only cutting a 1.8 sixty foot which is honestly not that good at all. And made what they said about 520whp. A intake tune exhaust z06 traps 132 making about 480-495whp. My buddies 580whp N/A C6 z06 trapped 144 on a full slick and front runner. The s4 weights that much made that power on a dyno dynamics hub dyno and is a six speed car.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by gringotegra Click here to enlarge
    A well setup honda can run a 9 sec pass with 650whp/400tq weighing in at 2400lbs... my car runs mid 10's with 320tq weighing in at 2550.. TQ is not the issue here
    Hondas are strange in general when i was at mir for import domestic shoot out they were trapping 179mph and running 8.90s

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 600whp S4 Click here to enlarge
    Hondas are strange in general when i was at mir for import domestic shoot out they were trapping 179mph and running 8.90s
    What, a full drag Honda? That isn't a realistic representation. And 8.9 for 179 isn't good.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 600whp S4 Click here to enlarge
    are you for real? MHPs car is only cutting a 1.8 sixty foot which is honestly not that good at all. And made what they said about 520whp. A intake tune exhaust z06 traps 132 making about 480-495whp. My buddies 580whp N/A C6 z06 trapped 144 on a full slick and front runner. The s4 weights that much made that power on a dyno dynamics hub dyno and is a six speed car.
    Uh, bud, they have cut 1.6's.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Uh, bud, they have cut 1.6's.
    Was about to say, my 3,800 lbs 1968 Coronet with about 700HP turned a 1.6 60 foot on a 9" slick and nothing but a pinion snuber (no ladder/4 link)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 600whp S4 Click here to enlarge
    are you for real? MHPs car is only cutting a 1.8 sixty foot which is honestly not that good at all. And made what they said about 520whp. A intake tune exhaust z06 traps 132 making about 480-495whp. My buddies 580whp N/A C6 z06 trapped 144 on a full slick and front runner. The s4 weights that much made that power on a dyno dynamics hub dyno and is a six speed car.
    Yeah i am for real lol... I know how much power it takes to do what in a car... Now since you mentioned it was a DD dyno, then the power makes a little more sence but that has to be the lowest reading DD i have ever seen lol...if you do the power to weight calculations that does not add up at all for that power...

    My old Roomates Bone stock 2007 Z06 put down 465whp on a Dynojet...it was a consistent 11.2-11.3@125-126 on a few cold nights it did trap 128 but it was a useless pass cuz the track sucked.... He then added a Cam, Long tube's and an E85 tune and ended up making 587whp on the same Dynojet... he ended up going 10.9@132 but his best trap was 134... So i am not talking out of my ass here.. this dynojet does not read high either, its almost right on for my power/weight and trap speeds...

    My current roomate works at probably on of the betten known EVO/DSM shops in the USA.. English Racing... They are home of the worlds fastest Auto AWD Talon that has been 8.6X@167mph...they also have the highest HP on a Stock Evo turbo that made 525whp(yeah out of a 42lb turbo lol) a 3500lb evo that makes 650whp(Dynojet power) will trap mid 130's, thats just what it takes... im not doubting that those cars went that fast, just saying that the numbers they make do not make scene thats all

    In the past 3 years i racked up this: Click here to enlarge

    right around 624 passes all in the same car.. Ranging from BONE stock 16.4@87 to what it is now 10.62@137 (1.62 60 ft and i have STOCK shocks with ebay coilovers and the car is Corner balanced within 2lbs on the front tires) i am at the track EVERY weekend when it is open, like i said i know cars and what it takes to run what...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 600whp S4 Click here to enlarge
    Hondas are strange in general when i was at mir for import domestic shoot out they were trapping 179mph and running 8.90s
    Sadly Honda's work against physics, weight transfer goes to the back...

    The car you are talking about was probably Chris Miller's from NRG tech, which is currently the fastest "Outlaw" car out there (outlaw is just a class that tons of honda's compete in, you are limited to weight which is 2450lbs, turbo size 72mm and smaller and tire size which is 26x10..other than that its pretty much anything goes.... His best pass was 8.3@178 with non wheelie bars and a 72mm turbo @ 2500lbs... Yes his mph is up there, and if it had wheelie bars or if it was rwd trapping that it would be mid to high 7's... but you cant put 1200whp down in the 1/8th in a FWD car... it just doesnt happen...

    Here is his video:






    Battam3, if you got any questions feel free to pm me... im a honda guru lol.. had a 440whp Stock block Gsr 2 years ago so i know a bit about them lol

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    Cool. I know couple Honda people myself. I have the civic. Just
    don't if I want to do something with it or just say that money and get e36m.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mazdaspeed6 Click here to enlarge
    Hpf tax
    Nice...So does that mean it can be claimed ?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jason Click here to enlarge
    From their website the upgrade is $7,495.
    I am trying to figure out the breakdown.
    Turbo...$1500
    Full Exhaust...$2,000
    Tune...$750
    Fuel Pump...$200
    =$4450 Full retail price

    Where is the other $3,000+ ?
    Markup. People pay it so they can do it.
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ccsykes Click here to enlarge
    I have quite a bit of drag racing experience. I use to bracket race a 10.20 car. I will admit I was a transbrake guy so I'm not sure how I'm going to do with a manual.

    I'm pretty confident I can get into the 10's though.
    Awesome! I can't wait to see you run!
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by gringotegra Click here to enlarge
    Its GEARING that makes it all work... F1 cars make low ass tq yet they are fast as hell, how do they do that? RPM + GEARING....
    You forgot weight. F1 cars don't weigh much. Actually using a F1 car for any comparison to a street car is not a good comparison imo
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It's all in the suspension at that point. Cars like the M3 are set up for the road course and the stiff suspension and front engine layout works against them.
    If you look at drag cars suspensions there is no play in them. They just shoot out the whole. Not gonna happen in an IRS car though lol
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ccsykes Click here to enlarge
    Yes, but not with 3:62's. If I'm correct that is what Rob is using. Most drag cars are running 4:30-4:56 to get into the top of 4th.

    Yes, you are correct that you want to be in the top of the gear, but the final gear ratio is not optimal. The transmission gears are too high. That is why you have a high MPH but a lower ET.
    Must benzes have sub 3.0 rears and yet they manage to do ok in the 1/4. Torque and power under the curve along with an auto does wonders
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Or the dyno Click here to enlarge
    Hahahhaa
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 600whp S4 Click here to enlarge
    A 630 whp s4 that weights 3600lbs went 10.50s at 140 with a 1.8 sixty foot if a hpf car with 740whp only trapped 137 something is up. A 1.8 sixty foot can be achieved fairly easy even if the diff is like glass. Ive seen z06s roll off the light like there at a stop light and make 1.8 sixty foots on street tires. Look MHP's 10 sec C63 only cut a 1.8 sixty foot and ran tens at 130 with a lot more weight and about 200whp less then evil robs car.
    Dom was cuttin 1.5 60's and Mike was cutting 1.6 60's. Where do you get these numbers???
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 600whp S4 Click here to enlarge
    Hondas are strange in general when i was at mir for import domestic shoot out they were trapping 179mph and running 8.90s
    You were at MIR? Damn, we could have lined em up

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by gringotegra Click here to enlarge
    Sadly Honda's work against physics, weight transfer goes to the back...

    The car you are talking about was probably Chris Miller's from NRG tech, which is currently the fastest "Outlaw" car out there (outlaw is just a class that tons of honda's compete in, you are limited to weight which is 2450lbs, turbo size 72mm and smaller and tire size which is 26x10..other than that its pretty much anything goes.... His best pass was 8.3@178 with non wheelie bars and a 72mm turbo @ 2500lbs... Yes his mph is up there, and if it had wheelie bars or if it was rwd trapping that it would be mid to high 7's... but you cant put 1200whp down in the 1/8th in a FWD car... it just doesnt happen...

    Here is his video:






    Battam3, if you got any questions feel free to pm me... im a honda guru lol.. had a 440whp Stock block Gsr 2 years ago so i know a bit about them lol

    Thats my buddies red supra tony his clutch was slipping that whole weekend. And no that red street eg trapped 172 watch the import vs domestic.


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blackbenzz Click here to enlarge
    If you look at drag cars suspensions there is no play in them. They just shoot out the whole. Not gonna happen in an IRS car though lol
    I don't know, they are set up to offer the best possible weight transfer.
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