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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZR1638 Click here to enlarge
    Sticky are you really suprised by this? You and Jon martin have been telling people for the past year that ESS products do not perform as advertised and that Robert blew his motor with nothing more that your own personal opinions and speculation. You even just said you have no proof that Robert's motor is blown and yet you still to this day publicly announce that his motor is blown. Maybe instead of posting up that Robert blew up his motor then plan to go inspect it maybe you should have went and looked at it first dont you think? Do you think he would really intive you to look at it if his motor was really blown? I dont really blame Asbjorn for going off on you for your slander. You need to be careful when you make up $#@! like you do and post it all over your website and others. It can be used against you in court as slander. Win or lose you will wind up spending a lot of time and money on legal and it will be up to you to prove the things you have been posting are true which based on the info I have seen will be difficult for you to do.

    Also I still do not understand why you post up personal emails from people. The problem with this is we have no idea if anything has been left out or altered by you to skew opinions. Knowing your reputation im willing to bet you have set yourself up to look like the good guy which by judging you on your past behavior is most likely not the case
    Yes, I'm surprised that instead of handling any questions or issues maturely a company would state they wish to hurt people and their family. Yes, very surprised and disappointed.

    I have posted factual evidence which shows that customer cars can not hit 600 whp at 7 psi of boost on pump gas through the stock exhaust. I have also showed evidence most of which stemmed from M5board of owners who complained their kits did not hit the advertised numbers. You can research this yourself if you like. Additionally, I have always posted positive information as well. The best balance possible while not shying away from any issues.

    Maybe I should have looked at his motor first? Oh, I should have gone and looked at AA's blown motor too, right? I should just travel all over the planet. The people taking apart his motor know people I know. Word gets around, nothing is being made up, they know exactly what happened so that is why they are trying so hard to keep it quiet. It would be libel, not slander by the way, please learn what you are talking about before you try to educate me.

    You have no idea if those e-mails have been altered? Well, if they have would be pretty easy for AJ to show they were, would it not? I would have set myself up pretty easily if that is the case but I assure you it is all 100% accurate and challenge Asbjorn to prove any differently. Here is a tip: He can't, because it's all right on.

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    Wow, big drama here. I'm neutral in this, so I'm just gonna' ask a pretty obvious question. Has anyone seen this guys motor blown? Or is someone saying, "His motor must be blown for reasons X, Y Z". Because from a neutral point of view, I don't think you can put 2 & 2 together & then just state the motor has blown without any physical proof. "It must be blown, because ...." doesn't cut it when you accusing something of failing. Maybe it did blow, or not, I don't know. But I rate it's kinda' harsh to just make it gospel that it blew without proof. But hey, I don't know the details.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Yes, I'm surprised that instead of handling any questions or issues maturely a company would state they wish to hurt people and their family. Yes, very surprised and disappointed.

    I have posted factual evidence which shows that customer cars can not hit 600 whp at 7 psi of boost on pump gas through the stock exhaust. I have also showed evidence most of which stemmed from M5board of owners who complained their kits did not hit the advertised numbers. You can research this yourself if you like. Additionally, I have always posted positive information as well. The best balance possible while not shying away from any issues.

    Maybe I should have looked at his motor first? Oh, I should have gone and looked at AA's blown motor too, right? I should just travel all over the planet. The people taking apart his motor know people I know. Word gets around, nothing is being made up, they know exactly what happened so that is why they are trying so hard to keep it quiet. It would be libel, not slander by the way, please learn what you are talking about before you try to educate me.

    You have no idea if those e-mails have been altered? Well, if they have would be pretty easy for AJ to show they were, would it not? I would have set myself up pretty easily if that is the case but I assure you it is all 100% accurate and challenge Asbjorn to prove any differently. Here is a tip: He can't, because it's all right on.
    Just lurking, but it looks like in the 16 pages of articles, in regards to ESS you have about 20 articles that are derogatory or extremely critical, and one that is positive. I guess I can see where a company would start getting pissed at you for constantly $#@!ting on them, even if you are intending to be unbiased. I dont know if 19:1 is unbiased relative to your definition of unbiased, but it doesnt seem that way just scanning through them.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
    What is that from anyway? I could never punch a girl like that. That guy deserves to get his teeth knocked out by a cheap shot with brass knuckles.
    You obviously have never seen snookie in action, she deserves to get her teeth knocked out brass knuckle style IMO. I can watch that sig over and over...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carguy411 Click here to enlarge
    Just lurking, but it looks like in the 16 pages of articles, in regards to ESS you have about 20 articles that are derogatory or extremely critical, and one that is positive. I guess I can see where a company would start getting pissed at you for constantly $#@!ting on them, even if you are intending to be unbiased. I dont know if 19:1 is unbiased relative to your definition of unbiased, but it doesnt seem that way just scanning through them.
    20 articles that are critcial and 1 that is positive?

    Critical:

    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...ged-DCT-E90-M3
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...t-higher-boost
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...-Come-up-Short
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...lves-requested
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...ng-past-graphs
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...laimed-Numbers

    Positive:

    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...-breaking-runs!!!
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...3sleeper%94-M3
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...-detail-by-IND.
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...year-in-review
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...0-7.85-seconds
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...-New-60-130mph
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...Coming-Q1-2011
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...-chart-added-*
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...to-bolt-on-E92
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...tart-under-10k
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...dependent-Dyno
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...-and-Z8-owners
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...-detail-by-IND.
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...SEMA-in-4-days.
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...Content-inside!
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...ing-Green-Hell
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...rst-in-the-10s
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...3-with-NITROUS
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...-New-60-130mph

    I'm not a math major, but I'm sure you can add up the critical posts/articles vs. the positive ones and see how the balance truly is? I think people just mainly focus on what they want to see and dismiss the rest as the fact is we host a ton of positive info about ESS and do not hesitate to put it right up on the front page either.

    19:1? Try scanning through them again.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M&M Click here to enlarge
    Wow, big drama here. I'm neutral in this, so I'm just gonna' ask a pretty obvious question. Has anyone seen this guys motor blown? Or is someone saying, "His motor must be blown for reasons X, Y Z". Because from a neutral point of view, I don't think you can put 2 & 2 together & then just state the motor has blown without any physical proof. "It must be blown, because ...." doesn't cut it when you accusing something of failing. Maybe it did blow, or not, I don't know. But I rate it's kinda' harsh to just make it gospel that it blew without proof. But hey, I don't know the details.
    People have seen the internals of the motor, yes. Classifying it as blown or not is the point of contention and I think each person should come to their own conclusion when they get the details. I have my own opinion on it which I do not hesitate to post but the silence on the subject as well as the threats for discussing it should tell you plenty.

    There is physical proof of the issues I am mentioning. Keep in mind AutoTalent will neither confirm or deny it. This also has nothing to do with ESS in my opinion and it should not reflect poorly on them in any way as this is not an ESS built motor. It has nothing to do with their regular kits.

    I'm not going to reveal everything just yet...

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    First I'm sorry to see an exchange of words between a quality website and what I viewed to be a quality company. I have no personal grudge or reason to dislike ESS, I've never met the owner, their cars seem to run (mikewads) etc however what does seem extreme to me is the threat of "taking down someone's family".

    I'll be the first one to admit that in my earlier years, if there was misinformation posted about a product (mine or someone else's) I would be the first one to correct said info, many times this ended up in a heated debate, however with that being said never once did I ever even think about threatening someone's family. In turn I never received any threats even mildly on par with what was sent to Sticky. IMHO, that's a rather classless action on the part of ESS and although I believe Sticky is right (heat of the moment had influence no doubt) no matter the circumstances that crosses pretty much every line that can be drawn. Very low blow and I hope that was not what we can expect more of in the future.

    In summation I truly hope that ESS and BB can have a more normal relationship (ie no threats) as both have something to deliver to BMW enthusiasts around the world.

    Also quite frankly I think it would be almost impossible to prosecute someone for libel (slander is spoken, libel is written) from Europe, it would be a huge waste of $ for both sides and there would be zero results from the time and $ spent.

    I give Sticky props for taking Robert up on his offer to show his motor to him (props to Robert) as well in hopes that we can put all this behind us sooner than later.

    Good luck to everyone involved and keep your head up Sticky. A successful business man once told me, I measure my own success by the amount of competitors arrows shot into my back at the end of every day. Apparently you're doing something right with the BBs.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carguy411 Click here to enlarge
    Just lurking, but it looks like in the 16 pages of articles, in regards to ESS you have about 20 articles that are derogatory or extremely critical, and one that is positive. I guess I can see where a company would start getting pissed at you for constantly $#@!ting on them, even if you are intending to be unbiased. I dont know if 19:1 is unbiased relative to your definition of unbiased, but it doesnt seem that way just scanning through them.
    To tell you the truth Sticky is quite fair, if an ESS car runs strong or ESS comes out with something new he will compliment; surprisingly.

    I for one remember when ESS posted up the fake dyno graphs, so they always left a bitter taste in my mouth. But Sticky has definately given them more credit than you would expect. They dont make bad stuff, they just lie thats all.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MHP LLC Click here to enlarge
    I'll be the first one to admit that in my earlier years, if there was misinformation posted about a product (mine or someone else's) I would be the first one to correct said info, many times this ended up in a heated debate, however with that being said never once did I ever even think about threatening someone's family. In turn I never received any threats even mildly on par with what was sent to Sticky. IMHO, that's a rather classless action on the part of ESS and although I believe Sticky is right (heat of the moment had influence no doubt) no matter the circumstances that crosses pretty much every line that can be drawn. Very low blow and I hope that was not what we can expect more of in the future.

    In summation I truly hope that ESS and BB can have a more normal relationship (ie no threats) as both have something to deliver to BMW enthusiasts around the world.
    This is exactly how I feel and even though I do believe it was sent in the heat of the moment an adult should think it through. It is simply a classless move and threatening someone's family and taking pleasure in said threat is certainly crossing the line.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MHP LLC Click here to enlarge
    I give Sticky props for taking Robert up on his offer to show his motor to him (props to Robert) as well in hopes that we can put all this behind us sooner than later.

    Good luck to everyone involved and keep your head up Sticky. A successful business man once told me, I could my own success by the amount of competitors arrows shot into my back at the end of every day. Apparently you're doing something right with the BBs.
    Exactly, I have no problem with handling this the right way which is simply to do as was requested and check it out in person. I hold no grudge and will put up exactly what I see. Sounds fair and reasonable to me?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    To tell you the truth Sticky is quite fair, if an ESS car runs strong or ESS comes out with something new he will compliment; surprisingly.

    I for one remember when ESS posted up the fake dyno graphs, so they always left a bitter taste in my mouth. But Sticky has definately given them more credit than you would expect. They dont make bad stuff, they just lie thats all.
    Exactly how I feel and I always make sure to state this and give them their proper credit yet I still somehow get labeled as hating them? The facts show how I respond to them and I think I have treated them far better than they have treated me.

    My main contention was the promotional dyno graphs that did not bear any resemblance to the final product, I never threatened Roman or AJ's family over it, that would just be insane.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    People have seen the internals of the motor, yes....
    OK that's good news. These internals that these people saw, did they have evidence of failure? Because if you strip to motor to decompress or something, then yeah people will see the internals.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M&M Click here to enlarge
    OK that's good news. These internals that these people saw, did they have evidence of failure? Because if you strip to motor to decompress or something, then yeah people will see the internals.
    Well, I leave that all for the pictures to show as I intend to my follow up as stated. I think that will satisfy everyone.

    I based my opinion on the information that was conveyed to me which I do believe is accurate.

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    Ok sweet, I understand now. Somebody told you the motor was blown.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M&M Click here to enlarge
    Ok sweet, I understand now. Somebody told you the motor was blown.
    Not exactly, it is much more complicated than that. Trust me, I'll keep you all informed and discuss all the details when I check this all out and report it here. Much to discuss Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    20 articles that are critcial and 1 that is positive?

    Critical:

    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...ged-DCT-E90-M3
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...t-higher-boost
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...-Come-up-Short
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...lves-requested
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...ng-past-graphs
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...laimed-Numbers

    Positive:

    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...-breaking-runs!!!
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...3sleeper%94-M3
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...-detail-by-IND.
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...year-in-review
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...0-7.85-seconds
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...-New-60-130mph
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...Coming-Q1-2011
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...-chart-added-*
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...to-bolt-on-E92
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...tart-under-10k
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...dependent-Dyno
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...-and-Z8-owners
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...-detail-by-IND.
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...SEMA-in-4-days.
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...Content-inside!
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...ing-Green-Hell
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...rst-in-the-10s
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...3-with-NITROUS
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...-New-60-130mph

    I'm not a math major, but I'm sure you can add up the critical posts/articles vs. the positive ones and see how the balance truly is? I think people just mainly focus on what they want to see and dismiss the rest as the fact is we host a ton of positive info about ESS and do not hesitate to put it right up on the front page either.

    19:1? Try scanning through them again.


    I stand corrected, my math was indeed off. I didnt realize that you intended to include topics created by random people on this board that you would then post backhanded comments on. I did however find another positive article that you created, bringing the count to two. And I may have exaggerated the negative article number a bit, so I recounted 12, not 19. So its more like 1:6, still pretty biased. I dont see those numbers reflective of any other company or product reviews on your website.
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Not exactly, it is much more complicated than that. Trust me, I'll keep you all informed and discuss all the details when I check this all out and report it here. Much to discuss
    So are you saying that you are reporting on information that you cannot factually prove? Have you failed to actually check out what you are speaking in reference to? Im confused...


    Kinda bull$#@! that the guy is intending to bankrupt your family, who really cares if your forum is financed by your parents anyway?

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    With a join date of January 2011, I am pretty sure you are not 'just lurking'. More like 'just trolling'. After all this thread is your first post and you happen to accuse Stickys parents of funding the site, someone get the spray.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carguy411 Click here to enlarge
    stand corrected my math was off. I didnt realize that you intended to include topics created by random people on this board that you would then comment on.
    Random topics? Many of those topics are promoted to the front page. I can't invent 60-130 or dyno runs but when they happen I can report them fairly which I do. Does that not fall under positive? Sure does int my opinion.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carguy411 Click here to enlarge
    And I may have exaggerated the negative article number a bit, so I recounted 12, not 19. So its more like 1:6, still pretty biased. I dont see those numbers reflective of any other company on your website.
    Read about Powerchip sometime, maybe ASR as well? I realize you are new so I will excuse the ignorance.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carguy411 Click here to enlarge
    So are you saying that you are reporting on information that you cannot factually prove? Have you failed to actually check out what you are speakign in reference to? Im confused...
    Kinda bull$#@! that the guy took it to a family level, who really cares if your forum is financed by your parents anyway?
    Reporting on information I can't prove? Who said that? I said I would go and get the information and we will see how much your conclusion differs from my own. I know you are confused, but that is why you must wait for the follow up.

    I finance my forum but that is irrelevant. The point is as you stated, threatening people's families is not professional behavior, complete BS.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Random topics? Many of those topics are promoted to the front page. I can't invent 60-130 or dyno runs but when they happen I can report them fairly which I do. Does that not fall under positive? Sure does int my opinion.
    Wait, I just went through the front page, thats where I got those numbers from, I literally went through 16 pages looking for stuff that you specifically wrote, since you are the one that is specifically writing the majority of the negative articles.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Read about Powerchip sometime, maybe ASR as well? I realize you are knew so I will excuse the ignorance.
    Im reading about it, and on some other forums as well. Very nefarious characters. Lots of heated stuff between Gintani and Powerchip too looks like

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Reporting on information I can't prove? Who said that? I said I would go and get the information and we will see how much your conclusion differs from my own. I know you are confused, but that is why you must wait for the follow up.
    Wait, but didnt you just say you are only basing your information off of what someone told you? I dont understand how that is completely responsible?
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    I finance my forum but that is irrelevant. The point is as you stated, threatening people's families is not professional behavior, complete BS.
    Then again, he didnt exactly say he was going to cut them into pieces, looks like he threatened to take them to court because he thinks your parents are financing you.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carguy411 Click here to enlarge
    Wait, I just went through the front page, thats where I got those numbers from, I literally went through 16 pages looking for stuff that you specifically wrote, since you are the one that is specifically writing the majority of the negative articles.
    We recently launched a new site, BenzBoost.com, and the front page was split and is still not completely updated. You will notice a gap of a few months after August until November. That information is all still being put up but all the front page articles are ones promoted from the forum itself. So an internal search will reveal it all, hence the links.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carguy411 Click here to enlarge
    Im reading about it, and on some other forums as well. Very nefarious characters. Lots of heated stuff between Gintani and Powerchip too looks like
    Yes, very much so, and I wanted to illustrate we certainly do not focus on one company or one issue.

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    Wait, but didnt you just say you are only basing your information off of what someone told you? I dont understand how that is completely responsible?
    Much reporting is based on what a person states or eye witness accounts. No different here except that I am even willing to follow up on it. How much more can one ask?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carguy411 Click here to enlarge
    Then again, he didnt exactly say he was going to cut them into pieces, looks like he threatened to take them to court because he thinks your parents are financing you.
    Heh, well the interpretation of taking pleasure in taking someone down I'll leave up to you. Cut into pieces? Maybe not too far off from his tone depending on if you interpret that literally. He is free to think whatever he wants but the fact he stooped so low as to go down that route is my point of contention and reflects poorly on the company.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Much reporting is based on what a person states or eye witness accounts. No different here except that I am even willing to follow up on it. How much more can one ask?
    Very true, but its also how we end up with rag like Fox news. You dont want to be known as the Fox news of BMW articles im sure.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carguy411 Click here to enlarge
    Very true, but its also how we end up with rag like Fox news. You dont want to be known as the Fox news of BMW articles im sure.
    nothing wrong with fox news.. lets not go there Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    This is exactly how I feel and even though I do believe it was sent in the heat of the moment an adult should think it through. It is simply a classless move and threatening someone's family and taking pleasure in said threat is certainly crossing the line.
    Agreed, hopefully he will learn from it, cease, and move on.

    Exactly, I have no problem with handling this the right way which is simply to do as was requested and check it out in person. I hold no grudge and will put up exactly what I see. Sounds fair and reasonable to me?
    Very fair and reasonable.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carguy411 Click here to enlarge
    Very true, but its also how we end up with rag like Fox news. You dont want to be known as the Fox news of BMW articles im sure.
    As said, nothing wrong with Fox News lol but I get y our point. Which is why I am going out of my way to set aside the time to settle the issue properly with documentation.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MHP LLC Click here to enlarge
    Agreed, hopefully he will learn from it, cease, and move on.
    Has no one learned anything from Wayne Besanko?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Has no one learned anything from Wayne Besanko?
    Apparently not and they won't.

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