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    WOW.......this is really going against the wind !
    All what i was looking for was some answers.
    Sticky,thank you for ur help, as always !!!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
    I personally think thats the gearing in Biglares car affected his performance since its a 3.62,most cars when they go FI they install shorter gearing so they can benefit of the power.I think thats the first disadvantage for Biglare since he couldn't put the power down
    Robert is the only one that I know of that has gone with longer gearing with the E92, they usually keep it stock, which is completely fine. If you can't put the power down that is one thing, but with good tires it does not matter, if you can't put it down change your tires / suspension, and conventional wisdom tells us that shorter gears means your car will accelerate faster up to a certain point, on these cars I would say well beyond what one would do on public highways. I've seen no hard evidence that with traction gears will make your car a lot slower on the E92.

    When I had my SC'd E46 M3 with shorter gears it was as fast or faster than other SC'd E46 M3's with stock gears, in fact it still holds the boost only on a stock block record of 8.6s for E46's, the gears helped me, even with 1 extra shift in Vbox runs over other SC'd M3's with stock gearing, which on the SMG did take some time to shift. You are right in most of the runs Larry was spinning, as was the Z06 at times, I think they only had one clean run with both getting decent traction, either way one can tell from the vids which car was faster on that day.

    Here's a writeup explaining why the E46 accelerates faster with 4.10 gears over stock 3.62's.

    http://m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=95653

    As I said, Biglare's VT575 was faster than Roman's VT575 in head to head runs and 60-130 runs 8.3 vs. 8.8, probably because of the exhaust, either way, his gears did not cause him to loose against the C6 Z06. Many of you are making excuses, I would assume because of Mike's awesome time and your own times, and I can't blame you, but all it does is solidify how much cold air, as well as an enthusiast who knows cars, can do. You ran in 40 degree weather, Biglare did not, he also ran on an incline. FYI, Larry made zero excuses after his runs with the Z06, except the traction part which is 100% true.

    Some people here $#@! at Sticky and others for trying to educate people on how cold weather can make a car go much faster, even Mike will tell you this is one reason he was able to hit such good times, along with AJ's help tuning the car etc. which is a testament to ESS trying to help an enthusiast go faster, I love that, it appears he had no problem with Sticky's thoughts on the weather as a factor, why should he, it is a fact that -2000' DA will make you go faster, even Mike states such in his thread. What is wrong with objective analysis?

    FYI Mike also just posted on the other forum that when he ran VP100 Race Fuel it DID NOT improve his performance, just as I've said many times, so let's stop using that as benefit for my car's performance, I do understand why one would because normally it does help, but on the S65 it appears it does not. That's why we go out and test it rather than rely on dyno results only.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
    ...Id love to see Drews car running the same Z06 that Biglare ran-
    Here you go-





    I ran that same Black Z06 more than once, not all on vid. The owner of the Black Z06 is a very good friend of mine, when I was at 7.5 - 8psi, with the old intake (515whp) we did some pulls, and I slightly pulled on him up top. I ran him again at 9psi (579whp), as you see in the vid, even with traction issues I was able to catch up, in other runs that were not on film I cleary pulled up top, even if he jumped ahead a car or more, the guy can drive, either way so much for dyno's!

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
    ...i heard that Drew never showed up.
    I did show up I'm the one in Biglare's car filming, secondly Larry knew beforehand that I was not going to have my car there. Larry wasn't even sure if he could go, but he was able to make it. Which was awesome, we all hung out afterward at cars and coffee, a lot of fun. Larry and I had been talking a long time about him joining us in some Mexico runs and C&C, a GTR and 996tt that were supposed to run him did not show. You better believe I would have loved to have ran him.

    The fact is Larry showed up willing to run, great attitude before and after, and that is how his car performed on that day, no excuses, we've all had bad days, what you do is go back out and try again, you and M33 need to rerun that GTR that beat M33's car, I know Jamie was having issues, so go out and rerun. Click here to enlarge It's one thing to do a ton of runs on the Vbox, wait for super conditions, find that good spot with a flat road or decline and keep going until you get a awesome time, it is a lot of fun, I know all too well, but it's another to go out and run cars, same place, conditions and see how you stack up, it is much more fun then Vbox runs, you guys need to run that GTR. It will tell us a lot about how your cars perform.

    Not sure if you've seen this, here is how I did against a 600whp GTR, 550WHP on a Mustang dyno. Full bolt ons HKS600, (NOT570 as stated in the vid), race gas, etc. He trapped 130MPH at the track, and hit 7.1 60-130. I would love to see how you guys compare, I believe the Stage 1 GTR you are going to run is around 500whp on a Mustang, with a 7.8 60-130 it should be an interesting run.



    Here is a run against another GTR and HPF Stage 3 on pump, I was at 8psi on this run.



    Here's an E46 HPF Stage 2.5' -, with this setup and 91+meth, they run in the 6's 60-130. This time on 91+Meth.




    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
    ... it sounds like a set up.(Im not trying to start no drama,im just looking for some answers)
    What do you and Jamie mean by speculating that there was a setup? There's so much of this speculation going around, it is loonyville, lol. How in the hell did I influence the outcome of Larry's car against the C6 Z06?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
    Also im not doubting the Z06 cause its a hell of a beast and with just headers and CAI it gains about 40HP,also the gearing in the Z06 r long,specially 3rd.
    Agreed well said, they are flat out monsters, even more so with a proper driver. Your 7.8 run is right there with the best Z06 time of 7.8.Click here to enlarge

    In your other recent thread, you can add my data as well if you'd like, FWIW I ran 11.4 @ 131, with the 8psi, pulley in 80 degree weather.
    Last edited by DLSJ5; 12-29-2010 at 06:08 PM.
    08 E92 M3 - DCT
    Bolt Ons - Best ET 11.88 Best Trap Speed 119.8 MPH
    60-130 MPH (3 shifts) 10.71s
    Gintani Stage 2+ Supercharger 60-130MPH (3 shifts) 7.06s
    11.45 @ 131.6 MPH
    579WHP @9.3psi

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    What was the DA during these last runs? I think someone posted -2500ft somewhere is that correct?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DLSJ5 Click here to enlarge
    on these cars I would say well beyond what one would do on public highways. I've seen no hard evidence that with traction gears will make your car a lot slower on the E92.
    I believe my results would be hard evidence though.

    Drew, with the DCT it is different vs. the E46 M3. Shorter gears will make you faster on the E46 M3 up to a certain point. On the E92 M3, the reduction by going to 3.62 is so large that you hurt yourself past the 1/8. The reason for this is that you have to shift into 5th to cross the 1/4. Past 100, it kills top end.

    Even at equal speeds, the torque multiplication in 5th is less than in 4th. So even if you look at it mathematically you can no accelerate as fast in 5th as you can in 4th due to the gear ratio. I hope that makes sense.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonMartin Click here to enlarge
    What was the DA during these last runs? I think someone posted -2500ft somewhere is that correct?
    It was cold out, don't know what the DA was, but it isn't a big deal.

    So it was cold out and we got some record runs, my hat is off to Mikewads and ESS and the bar is now raised. All good stuff for everyone.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
    WOW.......this is really going against the wind !
    All what i was looking for was some answers.
    Sticky,thank you for ur help, as always !!!
    No worries man, we can be civilized and respect one another.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I believe my results would be hard evidence though.

    Drew, with the DCT it is different vs. the E46 M3. Shorter gears will make you faster on the E46 M3 up to a certain point. On the E92 M3, the reduction by going to 3.62 is so large that you hurt yourself past the 1/8. The reason for this is that you have to shift into 5th to cross the 1/4. Past 100, it kills top end.

    Even at equal speeds, the torque multiplication in 5th is less than in 4th. So even if you look at it mathematically you can no accelerate as fast in 5th as you can in 4th due to the gear ratio. I hope that makes sense.
    It doesn't make sense, no offense J, it's just my opinion, and I know you disagree, no worries. I think Biglare's runs with Roman and the .5, 60-130 difference is solid evidence it does not hurt him.

    Your 1/4 mile runs were done on different days, conditions, I remember the posts, and you ran in solid conditions on the stock gears at Famoso, I think that is worth mentioning, and the times were not all that different were they, 115 MPH at Famoso in good condtions, then 114MPH in the summer with the gears? I think 1mph might be a wash and not significant. Let's just say they may not have helped him, but I doubt they hurt him a lot.
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    08 E92 M3 - DCT
    Bolt Ons - Best ET 11.88 Best Trap Speed 119.8 MPH
    60-130 MPH (3 shifts) 10.71s
    Gintani Stage 2+ Supercharger 60-130MPH (3 shifts) 7.06s
    11.45 @ 131.6 MPH
    579WHP @9.3psi

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DLSJ5 Click here to enlarge
    It doesn't make sense, no offense J, it's just my opinion, and I know you disagree, no worries. The same kind of back and forth went on with the E46 whether they helped, some guys swore they were a waste, others swore by them. I think Biglare's runs with Roman and the .5, 60-130 difference is solid evidence it does not hurt him.
    No worries of course, but I might be able to expound on it a bit better. I can explain it to you mathematically as well. Look at it this way:

    Examples, Stock M3:

    E92 M3 DCT 4th 1.678 x final drive 3.15 = 5.2857

    5.2857 is the absolute gear ratio, multiply x torque 295 pound-feet = 1559.2 torque at the axle.

    3.62 M3:

    5th gear ratio 1.390 x 3.62 final drive = 5.0318

    5.0318 absolute gear ratio, multiply x torque 295 pound-feet = 1484.31 torque at the axle.

    So the 3.62 car has to be in 5th when the 3.15 car is in 4th. It can not accelerate in 5th as fast as the 3.15 car can accelerate in 4th through the traps. The 3.15 will catch and pass a 3.62 car on the top end. Hope this makes sense.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DLSJ5 Click here to enlarge
    Your 1/4 mile runs were done on different days, conditions, I remember the posts, and you ran in solid conditions on the stock gears at Famoso, I think that is worth mentioning, and the times were not all that different were they, 115 MPH at Famoso in good condtions, then 114MPH in the summer with the gears?
    Actually, both were in the winter. My average times not just peak times were down with the gears. The shift into 5th hurt me on the top end. My 60 foot was way better with the gears (also had a properly working line lock) but I just could not catch the longer gears past the 1/8 mile. So I ran on average 2 mph slower with the gears even with a much better launch.

    The question becomes where the gears hurt you. Under 100, advantage, top end and from a roll, they hurt. It really depends on the type of race. 1/8 mile I would love to have them...

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    LOL I got negged for asking what the DA was. Must be an M3post member.
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    Some solid number's their Bud !!!!
    How's that kit working out for you ? Obviously good considering the times ...
    How many miles have you put on before and after the blower ?

    I have a 2011 e92 that I purchased 3 monthes ago and after seeing what your car does ... Well I'm starting to itch ...Click here to enlarge

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    Can't believe I actually sat here and read the last 7 pages. Slow day at work, lol. I don't understand the constant bickering that goes back and fourth. It's actually pretty sad. I've been part of the m3 community since the e46 days and recognize a few of you guys from other forums. Most of us call ourselves enthusiast so let's act like one and just be happy for other member's accomplishments.

    Great job Mike! It's nice to see people pushing boundries with the S65. Nice to know these motors can handle all this power. I can't wait to join the SC club soon.

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    Me too , gixxer what supercharger kit are you getting ?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by gixxer_kidd Click here to enlarge
    Can't believe I actually sat here and read the last 7 pages. Slow day at work, lol. I don't understand the constant bickering that goes back and fourth. It's actually pretty sad. I've been part of the m3 community since the e46 days and recognize a few of you guys from other forums. Most of us call ourselves enthusiast so let's act like one and just be happy for other member's accomplishments.

    Great job Mike! It's nice to see people pushing boundries with the S65. Nice to know these motors can handle all this power. I can't wait to join the SC club soon.
    Well said! Some healthy debate is good but it is sad some guys are disrespecting his thread and this achievement.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by gixxer_kidd Click here to enlarge
    Can't believe I actually sat here and read the last 7 pages. Slow day at work, lol. I don't understand the constant bickering that goes back and fourth. It's actually pretty sad. I've been part of the m3 community since the e46 days and recognize a few of you guys from other forums. Most of us call ourselves enthusiast so let's act like one and just be happy for other member's accomplishments.
    Great job Mike! It's nice to see people pushing boundries with the S65. Nice to know these motors can handle all this power. I can't wait to join the SC club soon.
    Yes it's very sad, but I just stay clear of the drama and post my times.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SunocoCAM2 Click here to enlarge
    Some solid number's their Bud !!!!
    How's that kit working out for you ? Obviously good considering the times ...
    How many miles have you put on before and after the blower ?
    I have a 2011 e92 that I purchased 3 monthes ago and after seeing what your car does ... Well I'm starting to itch ...Click here to enlarge
    I've got 8600 miles on the car. About 4000 of those are with the supercharger. Once the your M3 starts to feel a little slow you will know what to do next!
    09 Alpine White E92 M-DCT / ESS VT2 Supercharger w/ NITROUS / Borla Race Exhaust
    10.87 @ 131 mph in the 1/4 Mile
    60-130 MPH in 6.23 secs (Nitrous)
    60-130 MPH in 6.87 secs (Boost only @ 7.5psi)

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    In all the commotion I completely forgot to add this to the 60-130 list, list updated with both runs.

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