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    ESS supercharger boost vs. Gintani supercharger boost and is there even a difference?

    I couldn't help but laugh when I saw this post:

    Do some research about track performance and ask yourself some questions. So far, there are only two direct head-to-head comparisons's I've seen between ESS and Gintani cars in 60-130 or 1/4 mile drags. In the earlier comparison, a 5.5 PSI boosted Gintani car was 1/2 second slower than a 5.5 PSI boosted ESS car in 60-130. The Gintani car even had the advantage of lighter wheels and tires and lower altitude. Recently Mike Wads took his 6.5 PSI boosted ESS car on pump gas and beat Drew's 60-130 MPH time from 8.5 PSI + METH. Mike recently posted some 1/4 mile drag times as well that showed the 6.5 PSI car competed quite well against the 10 PSI+Meth car.

    I don't think you'll ever see a 10PSI boosted ESS car. So you'll never get that direct comparison. But in the direct comparisons that already do exist and are documented...the results are pretty clear...and they seem to contradict what you were thinking above. Ask yourself why it takes one kit 10 PSI + METH to beat a car with 6.5-7.0 PSI + PUMP gas..and if that's what you call a fair comparison. Give them the same boost and it's overwhelmingly clear which one will "walk" the other.
    Someone who clearly is biased (and getting their amazing ESS sc'd motor rebuilt... Click here to enlarge ) claims that at the same boost one will "walk" the other.

    This is simply...well, it's stupid. Frankly, at the same boost the cars are going to be in about the same place. They are limited by the compression and fuel, there isn't going to be a major difference at all.

    Why would there be? The hardware is basically the same, the manifolds are basically the same, it is the same thing except minor differences in tuning.

    At the same boost, it is a driver race and what matters is the supporting mods and fuel. If someone is concerned about winning the race, it has clearly been demonstrated that a Gintani Stage 2+ setup is stronger than anything ESS has ever produced. ESS makes conservative kits you can install yourself, good for them.

    Don't forget that Drew debunked all of this when this quoted poster tried to push their propaganda before: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...ger+efficiency

    The person making this post with an ESS kit and high boost on race gas with a stripped car AND built stroker motor could not hit the traps stock internal Gintani setups were hitting, now which setup is actually more efficient?

    ESS also does not go over 7.5 psi. Why? Well first of all, they don't have meth options so they can't, and secondly, it would seem their kits have issues at higher boost. Regardless, the results have shown that a Gintani kit on boost alone can give you 130+ traps. Not a single ESS car has hit this on boost, and needs a 100 shot of nitrous to match the Gintani setup. What does that tell you?

    It's bull$#@! posts like the one quoted that make me happy I'm on BimmerBoost.

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    all i can say is i cant wait till after January for my Gintani Stage 2 +

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by akh23456 Click here to enlarge
    all i can say is i cant wait till after January for my Gintani Stage 2 +
    me either!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    me either!
    lol i know you want to me to get it now but the wait will be worth it...we can use some of those christmas goodies you told me about as well as mine

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    However, they do not go over 7.5 psi. Why? Well first of all, they don't have meth options so they can't.....
    It seems someone took it apon themselves to run a AEM meth kit on their Ess VT2-500. Just read it on M3post.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    It seems someone took it apon themselves to run a AEM meth kit on their Ess VT2-500. Just read it on M3post.
    And the car hasn't fallen apart and the knock sensors haven't destroyed themselves? Amazing.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    It seems someone took it apon themselves to run a AEM meth kit on their Ess VT2-500. Just read it on M3post.
    is he from PA? the guy around here was talking about doin it against ESS advise

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    sticky thanks for posting this. i saw this over on m3post and I was like $#@! should i post it here or not... and ask you if anything.. but yea.

    it makes it better in perspective when you have to use nos to get the same power with pump and meth lmao.

    i'm still waiting for a nice race with gintani and ess so ppl will finally understand. I like both their kits and have to say both are very nice and look top notch quality. but the numbers are right there for you man...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    i'm still waiting for a nice race with gintani and ess so ppl will finally understand.
    ESS can't win, hence why we haven't seen a race or them even come out to a dyno challenge. They know it, we know it, everyone knows it.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    ESS can't win, hence why we haven't seen a race or them even come out to a dyno challenge. They know it, we know it, everyone knows it.
    well, im sure its gonna happen, 2 ESS in the area, and a soon to be Gintani 2+ (and me Click here to enlarge) im sure something is gonna go down Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    well, im sure its gonna happen, 2 ESS in the area, and a soon to be Gintani 2+ (and me Click here to enlarge) im sure something is gonna go down Click here to enlarge
    Some cool owners will run the cars, they have to, because ESS themselves backs out of direct comparisons.

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    waiting for Gintani vs. ESS vids... Gintani all the wayy for me if i had dough for it
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    Physics alludes some people. The state of the gas can be fully defined by temperature and pressure, if the boost pressure and system efficiency of both kits is pretty much the same; there should be no difference in 60-130s.

    I doubt the centris that gintani uses are THAT much different than ESS, so in all fairness; the guy is just circle jerking with himself that ESS boost is magically more dense than Gintani boost. Again, im glad i know this basic physical fact about gas properties.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    ESS can't win, hence why we haven't seen a race or them even come out to a dyno challenge. They know it, we know it, everyone knows it.
    Totally agree, after seeing the numbers you and drew posted on the dyno jet i believe? or maybe kioken... with like the 600 whp on the dynojet haha they backed out of the dynoday. they knew they werent hitting numbers that high with pump and meth. (they dont use meth right?)

    but i'm sure if you got an m3 and an ESS kit you got the balls to race a Gintani kit to stand up for your product, and see what you should have gone with in the first place Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    Physics alludes some people. The state of the gas can be fully defined by temperature and pressure, if the boost pressure and system efficiency of both kits is pretty much the same; there should be no difference in 60-130s.

    I doubt the centris that gintani uses are THAT much different than ESS, so in all fairness; the guy is just circle jerking with himself that ESS boost is magically more dense than Gintani boost. Again, im glad i know this basic physical fact about gas properties.
    besides the boost and temperature. there is a difference in timing in the tuning that can really determine the way the car boosts properly or not.

    and it would only be fair if the chargers are the same size. as i said in another post. psi is just a unit of measurement for pressure. Volume is the key with Psi.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    besides the boost and temperature. there is a difference in timing in the tuning that can really determine the way the car boosts properly or not.

    and it would only be fair if the chargers are the same size. as i said in another post. psi is just a unit of measurement for pressure. Volume is the key with Psi.

    PV=nRT
    +1 the tuning by Gintani and Oe is top notch

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    Physics alludes some people. The state of the gas can be fully defined by temperature and pressure, if the boost pressure and system efficiency of both kits is pretty much the same; there should be no difference in 60-130s.
    Exactly correct.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    I doubt the centris that gintani uses are THAT much different than ESS, so in all fairness; the guy is just circle jerking with himself that ESS boost is magically more dense than Gintani boost. Again, im glad i know this basic physical fact about gas properties.
    They are both Vortech centrifugal blowers.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    besides the boost and temperature. there is a difference in timing in the tuning that can really determine the way the car boosts properly or not.

    and it would only be fair if the chargers are the same size. as i said in another post. psi is just a unit of measurement for pressure. Volume is the key with Psi.

    PV=nRT
    Remember, you are pretty limited in your play with timing on 12.0:1 with boost on pump gas.

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    Just stack some head-gaskets together and run 20psi! I swear it works, my friend is a mechanic and he told me. Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    Physics alludes some people. The state of the gas can be fully defined by temperature and pressure, if the boost pressure and system efficiency of both kits is pretty much the same; there should be no difference in 60-130s.

    I doubt the centris that gintani uses are THAT much different than ESS, so in all fairness; the guy is just circle jerking with himself that ESS boost is magically more dense than Gintani boost. Again, im glad i know this basic physical fact about gas properties.
    They don't blame it on the density of the boost they blame it on the magic manifold...........
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    Sneak preview of ESS's Gen2 "Magic Manifold", designed exclusively for their VT2-650 Intercooled Supercharger kit:

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    ^^^^ Look at that work of art Click here to enlarge
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    It allows 14psi WITHOUT meth on stock compression/timing, since meth WILL make the S65 explode. It works by allowing much more heat transfer from the charge air to the engine bay, thus further resisting detonation.

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    lol!

    anyways, I dont care what any of the guys are saying over on m3post (im the guy who started that thread), because its obvious a stage 2+ gintani will walk all over an ess. They pride themselves on how "Smooth" the dyno hp curve is with the ess blower, well take a look at ryboys 606whp dyno sheet - looks pretty $#@!in smooth if you ask me.

    only thing i will agree with them on is the fact that gintani does push the boost a little high - excuse my ingorance (im all the way on the east coast so ive never came across any gintani m3), but has there been any issues experienced with these boost levels (due to the high compression of the stock engine)?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ERM324 Click here to enlarge
    lol!

    anyways, I dont care what any of the guys are saying over on m3post (im the guy who started that thread), because its obvious a stage 2+ gintani will walk all over an ess. They pride themselves on how "Smooth" the dyno hp curve is with the ess blower, well take a look at ryboys 606whp dyno sheet - looks pretty $#@!in smooth if you ask me.

    only thing i will agree with them on is the fact that gintani does push the boost a little high - excuse my ingorance (im all the way on the east coast so ive never came across any gintani m3), but has there been any issues experienced with these boost levels (due to the high compression of the stock engine)?
    cant comment on your question, but there will soon be a gintani 2+ locally. and you should follow suit.. Click here to enlarge

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