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    The M3 traditionally has the most hardcore BMW clientele who like to modify. The majority of attention is always focused on it from tuners. How many forced induction kits does the M3 have vs. the 328 despite the 328 selling far more models?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    If BMW actually wanted to encourage it they wouldn't go to the lengths they do and deny warranty claims the way they do. I had my own warranty fight with BMW and at no point were they 'encouraging' about anything. They were a bunch of pricks actually.

    If I told the dealer I planned to supercharge and wanted to build the motor they would void it all right then and there. They encourage you to buy their 'Performance Parts' rather than going to the aftermarket. They just want money. They certainly do not give a damn about giving you the best options to modify your car you own.

    They have gotten worse about this, not better. I'd love for BMW to actually encourage modding but their behavior and own parts division is designed now to keep maximum profit for them and actually to cut the aftermarket out.
    BMW builds a product and they guarantee that product against defects for 4 years / 50,000 miles. They can't guarantee that it will continue to function properly when a random assortment of aftermarket parts have been added onto it or when the calibration of the engine computer has been altered by any random guy. How does that make them pricks? They can continue to offer warranty coverage on their own Performance Parts because those parts were developed alongside the original car and have been tested just as thoroughly as the stock car and are known to work properly.

    If you build & boost a motor, you're absolutely insane if you expect the original warranty coverage to still apply.

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    It makes them pricks because other sports cars are easily tunable.

    Corvette...Mustang...EVO....STi... all of those cars are more likely to be owned by a dick head than the average BMW yet the manufacturers don't seem to have many problems dealing with it.

    All of those cars are easily flashed.

    What BMW should do is allow them to be flashed but implement a method of detecting it. But that's all a dream.

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    Or maybe come up with a program where you go into a dealership sign a bunch of waivers agreeing to waive your rights for any warranty work etc once that is approved the BMW Tech unlocks the encryption of your ecu so any tuner can access all parameters. WIN WIN for everyone. I really don't get how people think theyre owed warranty work after they modify the car once you make the leap you go ballz deep !

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
    I really don't get how people think theyre owed warranty work after they modify the car once you make the leap you go ballz deep !
    sometimes people make warranty claims for a defected stock part on their modified cars and BMW will turn them down
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
    BMW builds a product and they guarantee that product against defects for 4 years / 50,000 miles. They can't guarantee that it will continue to function properly when a random assortment of aftermarket parts have been added onto it or when the calibration of the engine computer has been altered by any random guy.
    I agree 100%. So why don't they unlock my ECU and shove their warranty up their asses? I have no desire for BMW's warranty coverage. I think it's absurd they lock EVERYONE out.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
    Or maybe come up with a program where you go into a dealership sign a bunch of waivers agreeing to waive your rights for any warranty work etc once that is approved the BMW Tech unlocks the encryption of your ecu so any tuner can access all parameters. WIN WIN for everyone. I really don't get how people think theyre owed warranty work after they modify the car once you make the leap you go ballz deep !
    Bingo. Why not allow this? I'll gladly waive all my rights to warranty coverage.

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    oooooooooooh no way.... i think i just called it in another thread.. a lot of hidden N54 customers might come out of hiding from this too
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    GSR autosports via Jailbreak Tuning just publicly announced they cracked and tuned the ECU. Not quite Terry@BMS power levels yet though, but a step in the right direction.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by spool twice Click here to enlarge
    GSR autosports via Jailbreak Tuning just publicly announced they cracked and tuned the ECU. Not quite Terry@BMS power levels yet though, but a step in the right direction.
    Potatoes.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Bingo. Why not allow this? I'll gladly waive all my rights to warranty coverage.
    BC it's extra work for BMW corporate, and they have absolutely nothing to gain from it. Customer loyalty from enthusiasts does not drive the brand, as we can all see from the direction they are headed in.

    It sucks but there's no way in hell they'd ever do something like that.

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    I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure at this point flashing the S55 is going to be limited to bench loading and that sucks.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I agree 100%. So why don't they unlock my ECU and shove their warranty up their asses? I have no desire for BMW's warranty coverage. I think it's absurd they lock EVERYONE out.
    I'd love that.

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    So are rumors true the F-series encryption was leaked?

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    Quote from GSR

    - Yes, the ECU flash is real, this is not a hoax! No smoke and mirrors, it’s not a reported Yeti sighting… Hehe Click here to enlarge

    - Yes, the ECU flash is done via the OBD2 Port just as the factory would do it.

    - Yes, the Max speed limiter is deactivated (See Video Link on previous post)

    - Data Logs and Related Information: We will post more information in the coming weeks as we are currently developing tunes for the F10 M5, the GSR 228i Racing Project, the 650 and 740 non M Turbo V8’s, and the current Generation 35i engines.

    Please be patient as there is a massive amount of work involved in bringing these products to market utilizing proper testing methodology and validation processes. It is our goal to present the community with the best possible products that combine amazing performance with factory reliability.

    As you can imagine having an OBD2 Flash available for the current “Untunable” generation of vehicles is no easy feat. While we are new to this Forum, we are an established and respected company. We have a very talented and experienced team which brings unique technical capabilities to the BMW Marketplace.


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    I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure at this point flashing the S55 is going to be limited to bench loading and that sucks.

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    Who is GSR autosport, and why would a company that seems small in this world have access when none of the big guys do yet? Either way, being given this information 3-4 weeks ago is what lead us to immediately buying a set of M3/4 turbos, and pushing our F10 Stage 1 turbo upgrades up the todo list. We will be adding the N20 to the more pressing list as well.

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    It's because someone leaked the keys for the F-series encryption more than likely. Their language tells me that they don't plan on offering a self-tuning option a la Cobb. Welcome to the M community. I really hope Cobb releases something for this platform.

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    It seems like the encryption key was leaked. Now add claims of Eurocharged having cracked the ECU and will have a flash tune.

    I wonder what Dinan will now do with their new piggybacks?

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    someone paid another someone an assload of money
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    I think you'll have that as well as some new players coming into the scene. Maybe AMS? Or companies like that. The ///M badge will attract more companies than the 335/n54 did. Just wait and see...
    Switzer (obviously more well known for their GTR packages) has started advertising power packages for the Turbocharged M cars
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
    Or maybe come up with a program where you go into a dealership sign a bunch of waivers agreeing to waive your rights for any warranty work etc once that is approved the BMW Tech unlocks the encryption of your ecu so any tuner can access all parameters. WIN WIN for everyone. I really don't get how people think theyre owed warranty work after they modify the car once you make the leap you go ballz deep !
    2 problems with this -- 1) Kills resale value & backdoors BMW into making sure when the car is sold, that someone doesn't try to sell the car with a "warranty" and 2) how to do you prevent someone basically "copying" the unlocked code onto a car that is still technically covered under manufacture warranty?Puts a LOT of responsibility on the manufacturer that they just don't want to waste their time (and money, and resources) with.
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    If this GSR flash is real, it's a great thing! Having a dme that can't be cracked is terrible for the BMW tuning community. I'm anxiously awaiting the development of the s55
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    I'd love to see Cobb invest some time into this. It would be great for us power enthusiasts!

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    I don't think a key was leaked. A work around was probably found for the TPROT that BMW uses.

    I wouldn't be surprised if this is what all of the tuners who claimed to have "cracked" the ECU are actually using...

    http://www.bmw-explorer.ru/?page_id=898&lang=en

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    The good news is that I bet all new BMW use the same protection methods for their ECUs.

    If they can modify one they can probably modify all.

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