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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    You also do this to many threads, purposely poke the bear then pretend like it was an accident and apologize, the second you posted I called it for exactly what it was, the end of a good thread and the start of this mess.
    You did, I didn't intentional do this, but terry did agree with me, so I wasn't wrong.

    Lets be honest, it would have ended up here anyway, but still, Sticky stop, Tony stop, everyone just stop.

    The M4 is a great platform that is performing superbly for what it is, leave it at that.




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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
    It takes more than one person to derail a thread. If everyone simply ignored Sticky deep throating the S65 it would be fine.

    I have a S65 so it's ok to say Click here to enlarge
    It actually doesn't take more than one person to derail a thread, when that person comes in a multi quotes everyones posts and starts the same garbage again as he did in the last thread, that one person just derailed the thread, SAME exact $#@! LM used to do, he got suspended for it, Sticky is the Mod so its cool. Makes me visit here less and less

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Legionofboom Click here to enlarge
    You did, I didn't intentional do this, but terry did agree with me, so I wasn't wrong.

    Lets be honest, it would have ended up here anyway, but still, Sticky stop, Tony stop, everyone just stop.
    This is rich. Like the guy who starts a soccer riot by taunting the other fans, watching as it gets out of hand, then yelling, hey sorry guys! Lets just stop, everyone stop. Maybe next time you wont insert sticky bait into the thread? But then again maybe you will
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    This is Rich. Like the guy who starts a soccer riot by taunting the other fans, watching as it gets out of hand, then yelling, hey sorry guys! Lets just stop, everyone stop. Maybe next time you wont insert sticky bait into the thread? But then again maybe you will
    Maybe I will, maybe I won't. It's a online forum, take a step back and don't get bent out of shape about it. Terry is getting front page news because of it. Sticky is getting something to rant about.

    The forum is active at least, it's been $#@!ing dead for the past few weeks.

    Go work on stage 3 kits, we're all waiting to give you our money.




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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    if you were a member you would neg repped to death and called a troll of epic proportions, that you have ruined another thread is honestly as embarrassing for you as it is $#@!ty for the thread owner. Your constant arguing about 1 single platform that accounts to 3% of your forum traffic and constant bashing of your members who account for the other 97% is again embarrassing. You would be much better served to stop this before it gets any worse
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    The JB4 now has full electronic wastegate control in addition to the fuel mass control & CANbus, pathing the way for E85 testing. The test car is our 2015 DCT M3, 100% stock with a JB4, with ethanol mixed with 91 octane at 30-50%...
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    Goes to show what you can do when you dont have the gates blowing open from back pressure...

    Nice work!

    Now when the EWG is fully controllable with JB4, I'd love to see someone to chime in and develop EWG for N54 too.

    I've never liked the vacuum cotrolled wastegates. Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by -335i- Click here to enlarge
    Nice work!

    Now when the EWG is fully controllable with JB4, I'd love to see someone to chime in and develop EWG for N54 too.

    I've never liked the vacuum cotrolled wastegates. Click here to enlarge
    The Vacuum gates leave a lot to be desired such as rattle, etc. BUT they do offer a LOT of control, if you think of a single port boost controled actuator you are have a spring keeping it closed and as heavy as that spring is, is as heavy as you will be able to keep the gate closed unless you go to a twin port, which for IWG system are proven not to work, but with the vacuum gates you can add more vacuum and get a heavier closing pressure on the gate itself, we have tested all of these and at 15 IN/HG and 22 in/HG the amount of force it takes to open them is much much greater. So they do work well with just some bad side effects.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    You also do this to many threads, purposely poke the bear then pretend like it was an accident and apologize, the second you posted I called it for exactly what it was, the end of a good thread and the start of this mess.
    Exactly its was the typical non-S65 owner in post number 21.

    Just an observation, 9 times out of 10 it is a non-S65 owner that starts the sh*t talking.

    So it they want the S65 out of their threads. Then don't F*CKING bring it up.

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    n54 owners are $#@!y little girls.

    neg rep me to death if you'd like but it's the truth
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
    n54 owners are $#@!y little girls.

    neg rep me to death if you'd like but it's the truth
    Another mature addition to the thread. Spoken like a true non $#@!y adult

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
    Dang, Stage 2+ Supercharged S65 or M4. Decisions!
    My personal opinion is if you intend to stop at that get the new car.

    It depends on your goals and what type of motor you like to drive.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ChuckD05 Click here to enlarge
    @Sticky When is your car estimated to be completed ?
    It already should be but I'll call.

    It's not the car being completed it's a new set of upgrades to the transmission.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Sticky, I do not give a rats ass about your reasoning, look at what you single handedly have done to this thread and countless others AGAIN, if you were a member you would neg repped to death and called a troll of epic proportions, that you have ruined another thread is honestly as embarrassing for you as it is $#@!ty for the thread owner. Your constant arguing about 1 single platform that accounts to 3% of your forum traffic and constant bashing of your members who account for the other 97% is again embarrassing. You would be much better served to stop this before it gets any worse
    I'm not going to keep repeating myself that we'll talk about whatever we want to talk about here. If we want to debate M motors for 100 pages that is none of your concern.

    I don't care if you have a problem with it as this forum wasn't created to appease you. I don't even know why you keep harping about it. I've come to an understanding with several of the people I've engaged with and I respect their position and they respect mine. It's ok to disagree, there's nothing wrong with it. We're car enthusiasts talking about cars which is what this place is about.

    Frankly, I really enjoyed this thread the only problem is your idiotic $#@!ing. Just shut up and move on already if you don't like it because nobody is about to stop. We're enthusiasts and we have passion for the topic. The only thing that is embarrassing is the constant stream of negativity coming from a 'professional' business account. If it continues, I'll put it new rules regarding that conduct.

    Considering four vendors just signed on I think you should concentrate on your own business and let me worry about what engines I want to discuss and when and where I want to discuss them on the forum I own.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    You also do this to many threads, purposely poke the bear then pretend like it was an accident and apologize, the second you posted I called it for exactly what it was, the end of a good thread and the start of this mess.
    What mess? Enthusiasts debating and engaging about their respective platforms? What, it's too intense for you? It bothers you?

    If a little heated debate is too much for you I don't know what to say. This is BimmerBoost where people can get into a more enthusiastic discussion without some moderator pushing them toward being PC and pretending everyone is holding hands and crapping rainbows.

    You've done more to derail this thread than anyone and your initial posting took a negative slant. You continue to derail it with these types of posts.

    We want to talk so let us freaking talk. It's a forum. It's BimmerBoost. It's not let's sing songs and hold hands.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    It actually doesn't take more than one person to derail a thread, when that person comes in a multi quotes everyones posts and starts the same garbage again as he did in the last thread, that one person just derailed the thread, SAME exact $#@! LM used to do, he got suspended for it, Sticky is the Mod so its cool. Makes me visit here less and less
    He got suspended because guess who helped you out? Do you remember the PM's you sent me about it? Now you're doing the same thing you got upset for others doing to you. How quickly we forget...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Legionofboom Click here to enlarge
    Maybe I will, maybe I won't. It's a online forum, take a step back and don't get bent out of shape about it. Terry is getting front page news because of it. Sticky is getting something to rant about.

    The forum is active at least, it's been $#@!ing dead for the past few weeks.

    Go work on stage 3 kits, we're all waiting to give you our money.
    I wasn't even on much during the week of July 4th. The views are up but it is summer and people do go outside.

    This isn't a rant it's a discussion regarding engine design with actual technical aspects to it. I think people could learn quite a bit.

    Anyway @Legionofboom you're about to get 40 more forums on the network. You'll have more to read than you'll have time to read.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I'm not going to keep repeating myself that we'll talk about whatever we want to talk about here. If we want to debate M motors for 100 pages that is none of your concern.
    Just goes to show you only want threads to stay on or off topic when you want them to and it is convenient for you. See the VM turbo kit announcement thread. It turned into the usually S65 $#@! hole thread derailment. Why did that thread need to go back on topic but this one is fine? Both were threads started by vendors and went off into you explaining to all of us for the 1000th time why the S65 is so superior to every engine and that anyone who brings up the ridiculous cost should shut up.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    Just goes to show you only want threads to stay on or off topic when you want them to and it is convenient for you.
    No. I didn't introduce the topic, I responded to it. The front page article is up and the initial posts are all in place. What more is there to say? The discussion then went to comments about previous M motors. It's ok for a discussion to evolve.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    See the VM turbo kit announcement thread. It turned into the usually S65 $#@! hole thread derailment. Why did that thread need to go back on topic but this one is fine? Both were threads started by vendors and went off into you explaining to all of us for the 1000th time why the S65 is so superior to every engine and that anyone who brings up the ridiculous cost should shut up.
    Yep people brought up the topic and I responded just as I did here and I asked for it to go back on topic to discuss that manifold. An S55 comparison to the previous M motor is going to be pretty natural especially initially. I'll gladly contribute my position if that comparison is made which it was. Because the VM turbo thread went back on topic doesn't mean this one can't either. It also doesn't mean we can't have natural discussions. Threads here often go off track as people just have a normal discussion. Not exactly news and secondly it's not even a problem it's what I like about this place and the way people can discuss topics.

    Whining about it is lame. Discussing the topic which is about M engines makes more sense in M engine sections.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    Just goes to show you only want threads to stay on or off topic when you want them to and it is convenient for you. See the VM turbo kit announcement thread. It turned into the usually S65 $#@! hole thread derailment. Why did that thread need to go back on topic but this one is fine? Both were threads started by vendors and went off into you explaining to all of us for the 1000th time why the S65 is so superior to every engine and that anyone who brings up the ridiculous cost should shut up.
    Literally all you can do is give up and ignore it. I honestly have never seen anyone derail so many threads over something so trivial and blame everyone else since LM finally left a while back. Its honestly been driving me to other forums and I find myself spending less and less time here

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    No. I didn't introduce the topic, I responded to it. The front page article is up and the initial posts are all in place. What more is there to say? The discussion then went to comments about previous M motors. It's ok for a discussion to evolve.



    Yep people brought up the topic and I responded just as I did here and I asked for it to go back on topic to discuss that manifold. An S55 comparison to the previous M motor is going to be pretty natural especially initially. I'll gladly contribute my position if that comparison is made which it was. Because the VM turbo thread went back on topic doesn't mean this one can't either. It also doesn't mean we can't have natural discussions threads here often go off track as people just have a discussion. Not exactly news and secondly it's not even a problem it's what I like about this place and the way people can discuss topics.

    It went back on topic because you said it should go back on topic:

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    The topic is a new turbo kit. Talk about that.
    Why did you care in that thread but not here?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    It went back on topic because you said it should go back on topic:

    Why did you care in that thread but not here?
    Did I not just explain to you that there is no reason the same can not happen here? The difference is in that topic it is a new product release in the N54 forum that is predominantly dominated by N54's and it has far more exposure than the new section here. This is about dyno's of a new M motor with Ethanol as in a different topic.

    Additionally, as this is a new M motor and this is not about a new product but it is about testing people speculate on the power output with modifications then make the natural comparison to the previous generation M motors. When that comparison is made or people make statements about the previous generation M motor that I find incorrect I chime in. It is a natural evolution of the topic and practically inevitable especially as there are S65 owners here who people like to prod. Prod, you will be prodded back. Probably harder.

    Do I even owe you some kind of explanation on why two different topics with different participants have different outcomes? It is not apples to apples to begin with. Additionally I have no problem with this discussion. Why you do as if debating M motors and power outputs is out of line on BimmerBoost is absurd. But hey, be negative and grasp for whatever you can in that respect. I'm more than happy to go back to discussing the engines instead of why we are discussing the engines.

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    S55 > N54. There I said it. What now Legionofpoop!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Literally all you can do is give up and ignore it. I honestly have never seen anyone derail so many threads over something so trivial and blame everyone else since LM finally left a while back. Its honestly been driving me to other forums and I find myself spending less and less time here
    As the thread shows the topic was introduced by multiple individuals before any post by me.

    Additionally, I think it's a good idea to take a break from time to time. You're free to do whatever you want. This forums was formed so people could discuss automotive topics for as long as they want to without interruption even if the discussion gets heated. If you don't like this there are other places as you alluded to.

    Also, I have done everything you have requested of me have I not? And gone over and beyond? That doesn't mean I suddenly have to stop talking when you tell me to or when you don't like what I say. I could say plenty more but I won't.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
    S55 > N54. There I said it. What now Legionofpoop!
    wahwah ill neg rep you!!! haha kidding, I don't care man, I love my car, I enjoy the BMW brand and I enjoy this forum. I made a comment that Terry later agreed with, and sticky got bent on it, which I understand, it is sticky after all, but now you guys are just dragging it out.

    It's just a internet forum to talk about BMWs, sometimes people take it much to serious.




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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    The Vacuum gates leave a lot to be desired such as rattle, etc. BUT they do offer a LOT of control, if you think of a single port boost controled actuator you are have a spring keeping it closed and as heavy as that spring is, is as heavy as you will be able to keep the gate closed unless you go to a twin port, which for IWG system are proven not to work, but with the vacuum gates you can add more vacuum and get a heavier closing pressure on the gate itself, we have tested all of these and at 15 IN/HG and 22 in/HG the amount of force it takes to open them is much much greater. So they do work well with just some bad side effects.
    I agree. But the bad side effects are those which I would like to get rid off. Rattle, gates slight opening on some boost conditions, etc. With electronic wastegates there's less components and the adjust would be very accurate. There's plenty of PWM controlled linear actuators out there, so I guess the hardware is not a big issue, just choosing the right one; stroke length, speed, force and heat resistance + designing the proper bolt on support. (I know there's always issues popping up when actually starting to create one.) What comes to PWM control, I guess it would be needing some kind of simple circuit to scale/modulate/amplify the vacuum solenoids signal.

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