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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by snaimpally Click here to enlarge
    First, the name of the forum is BimmerBoost, right? Second, this thread, before you hijacked it, had to do with Terry talking about the tuning potential of the S55 engine.

    People can make their own decisions regarding which engine is better - everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

    I have owned cars with NA engines and with turbo engines. Engines with forced induction respond more readily to mods and tunes. That is why people are so excited about the new M3/M4. You can have your definition of what constitutes an M car but the fact of the matter is, NA engines are a thing of the past.

    Forced induction allows a smaller engine to have performance similar to a large NA engine while providing better gas mileage. This is why BMW has replaced an NA V8 with a turbo 6 and an NA I6 with a turbo 4. Enjoy your V8 power as its a dinosaur. Large and powerful to be sure but extinct nonetheless.

    LOL, I just noticed you drive an automatic! All that NA V8 talk and you drive an automatic.
    Automatic? You must be confused and not know what you're talking about but it's not surprising considering your post. Only the E36 M3 came with an automatic.

    Considering I named the place I'm pretty sure I know exactly what it's called. I'll also talk about whatever motors it is I'm in the mood to talk about. My statements regarding the motors aren't based on opinion, they are based on physical facts.

    No kidding turbo motors get greater gains with bolt on mods. This has been stated over and over in this thread. Whoopty doo once again.

    Forced induction allows a smaller motor to perform like a larger NA motor? Cool. What happens when the larger motor gets forced induction? Yeah that's the whole point. Great post man, awesome stuff.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Automatic? You must be confused and not know what you're talking about but it's not surprising considering your post. Only the E36 M3 came with an automatic.
    Wait so you have three pedals, or two?
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    the 335is come with an automatic transmission lol
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
    the 335is come with an automatic transmission lol
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    Maybe I am old school too, but I agree with the addage, if it does not have a clutch pedal it cannot be considered a manual. But also in my old age, I get tired of shifting, give me a DCT in my next DD please...Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
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    what about the m3 what does that come with
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Maybe I am old school too, but I agree with the addage, if it does not have a clutch pedal it cannot be considered a manual. But also in my old age, I get tired of shifting, give me a DCT in my next DD please...Click here to enlarge
    I think I would prefer a DCT on the track because there is so much more to focus on other than shifting. Assuming your daily commute doesn't have bad traffic I'd take a manual for my daily. But that is just me.

    But not clutch pedal = automatic. Mash the gas, hold wheel straight for a 1/4 mile, done.
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    lmaooo oh my god
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
    what about the m3 what does that come with
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    Wait so you have three pedals, or two?
    Wait, so how a transmission functions is determined by the number of pedals?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Maybe I am old school too, but I agree with the addage, if it does not have a clutch pedal it cannot be considered a manual. But also in my old age, I get tired of shifting, give me a DCT in my next DD please...Click here to enlarge
    A dual-clutch transmission, (DCT) (sometimes referred to as a twin-clutch gearbox or double-clutch transmission), is a type of semi-automatic or automated manual automotive transmission. It uses two separate clutches for odd and even gear sets. It can fundamentally be described as two separate manual transmissions (with their respective clutches) contained within one housing, and working as one unit.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    But not clutch pedal = automatic.
    No you can have a sequential manual, semi-auto, or dual clutch. Automatics have torque converters. You can still have multiple clutches and shift manually without three pedals.

    Regardless, dual clutches are the highest performance option.

    I'm not sure why you can not understand the definition of different gearboxes but that doesn't really surprise me all that much.
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    lol remember that thread where that guy on autocar called the m3 dct an automatic and then boom, $#@!fest debate

    here we go again?

    dct != automatic
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    So what 60-130 times is this beast going to do ?

    Also, outside of maybe a handful of uber quick power shifters, a DCT, PDK, Ferarri F1 box thingy with dual clutch will beat the crap out of any 6MT I drive, I just like the feel of double de-clutching, kind of orgasmic for us old fellas
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    A dual-clutch transmission, (DCT) (sometimes referred to as a twin-clutch gearbox or double-clutch transmission), is a type of semi-automatic or automated manual automotive transmission. It uses two separate clutches for odd and even gear sets. It can fundamentally be described as two separate manual transmissions (with their respective clutches) contained within one housing, and working as one unit.
    Cool Story bro, thanks for the documentation you pulled from the internet. I honestly could not care any less what the definition of a DCT is, if there is not a clutch peddle it not a manual, does this make it an automatic, it does not. In my opinion there are 3 transmission options, true manual, (clutch pedal, and stick shift), Dual Clutch (bad ass, and fun), and Auto (good for drag racing if properly set up and lazy people). Please leave me out of anymore of these pointless debates I have stated my opinion

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Cool Story bro, thanks for the documentation you pulled from the internet. I honestly could not care any less what the definition of a DCT is, if there is not a clutch peddle it not a manual, does this make it an automatic, it does not. In my opinion there are 3 transmission options, true manual, (clutch pedal, and stick shift), Dual Clutch (bad ass, and fun), and Auto (good for drag racing if properly set up and lazy people). Please leave me out of anymore of these pointless debates I have stated my opinion
    I agree with this. DCT != MT or AT.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Cool Story bro, thanks for the documentation you pulled from the internet. I honestly could not care any less what the definition of a DCT is, if there is not a clutch peddle it not a manual, does this make it an automatic, it does not. In my opinion there are 3 transmission options, true manual, (clutch pedal, and stick shift), Dual Clutch (bad ass, and fun), and Auto (good for drag racing if properly set up and lazy people). Please leave me out of anymore of these pointless debates I have stated my opinion
    The definition isn't whatever you make up in your head. It is very clearly defined.

    If it does not have a clutch pedal that does not make an automatic, no. It does not suddenly get a torque converter and suddenly make it so that you can not shift gears manually.

    Your opinion here is irrelevant as these are facts. If you comment be prepared for a response.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
    I agree with this. DCT != MT or AT.

    Pretty sure Sticky isn't saying DCT = MT. Because that would be full retard Click here to enlarge
    I believe I always say a DCT is a DCT. It isn't a manual, it isn't an automatic, it's a dual clutch transmission.
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    How about any post that isn't about S55 tuning is removed from this thread? Click here to enlarge
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    How about any post that isn't about S55 tuning is removed from this thread? Click here to enlarge
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    If only that could be done automatically, eh?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    No you can have a sequential manual, semi-auto, or dual clutch. Automatics have torque converters. You can still have multiple clutches and shift manually without three pedals.

    Regardless, dual clutches are the highest performance option.

    I'm not sure why you can not understand the definition of different gearboxes but that doesn't really surprise me all that much.
    My bad. You drive a manual does that make you feel better? Lol.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    You drive a manual does that make you feel better? Lol.
    It just makes me feel like you are stupid.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Here Here!
    It's 'Hear, hear!' actually.
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