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    M4 Nurburgring Time: 7:52

    German Magazine Sport Auto tested the M4 at the Ring and ran a 7:52. Not bad. Below is a list of their other cars and lap times. And Nurburgring times are not an exact science - here's what Sport Auto says about the version of the track they test on:

    The track can not be traveled at full speed past "Tribόne 13" (T13, grandstand 13) in order to allow safe access from the old exit/entrance there. Thus, sport auto Supertests cover only about 20.6 km (12.8 mi), which in average yields a 7 s shorter lap time compared to a full lap.

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    7.24 min – Porsche 911 GT2 RS (997 mk2) – 620 hp, 1405 kg, semi-slicks
    7.24 min – Gumpert Apollo Sport – 700 hp, 1458 kg, semi-slicks
    7.25 min - Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4 - 700 hp, 1794 kg, semi-slicks
    7.28 min - McLaren MP4-12C - 600 hp, 1473 kg, semi-slicks
    7.30 min - Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 - 500 hp, 1388 kg, semi-slicks
    7.32 min – Porsche Carrera GT – 612 hp, 1473 kg
    7.33 min – Porsche 911 GT2 (997 mk1) – 530 hp, 1497 kg, semi-slicks
    7.33 min – Porsche 911 GT3 RS (997 mk2) – 450 hp, 1417 kg, semi-slicks
    7.33 min – Pagani Zonda F – 602 hp, 1371 kg
    7.34 min – Audi R8 GT – 560 hp, 1577 kg, semi-slicks
    7.34 min – Koenigsegg CCR – 806 hp, 1418 kg
    7.34 min - Lexus LFA Nόrburgring Edition - 571 hp, 1563 kg
    7.35 min – Ruf Rt12 (997) – 650 hp, 1573 kg, semi-slicks
    7.36 min - Nissan GT-R (R35 mk2) - 530 hp, 1784 kg, semi-slicks
    7.38 min - Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera - 570 hp, 1493 kg, semi-slicks
    7.38 min – Corvette ZR1 – 647 hp, 1533 kg
    7.38 min – Lexus LFA – 560 hp, 1598 kg
    7.38 min – Ferrari 458 Italia – 570 hp, 1540 kg
    7.38 min – Nissan GT-R (R35 mk1) – 486 hp, 1778 kg, semi-slicks
    7.39 min – TechArt GTstreet (997 mk1) – 630 hp, 1552 kg, semi-slicks
    7.39 min – Ferrari 430 Scuderia – 510 hp, 1402 kg, semi-slicks
    7.40 min – Porsche 911 GT3 (997 mk2) – 435 hp, 1426 kg, semi-slicks
    7.40 min – Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG – 571 hp, 1647 kg, sport-suspension
    7.42 min – Lamborghini Murciιlago LP670-4 SV – 670 hp, 1764 kg, semi-slicks
    7.44 min - Porsche 911 Carrera S PDK (991) - 400 hp, 1497 kg, sport-suspension
    7.44 min - Porsche 911 Turbo S (997.2) - 530 hp, 1569 kg
    7.44 min – Audi R8 5.2 FSI R-tronic – 525 hp, 1660 kg, semi-slicks
    7.44 min – Pagani Zonda S – 555 hp, 1388 kg
    7.46 min - Porsche 911 GT2 (996.1) - 462 hp, 1450 kg
    7.46 min – Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera – 530 hp, 1528 kg, semi-slicks
    7.46 min - Mercedes C63 AMG Black Series (Aero Pack, Dunlop SportMaxxRace M0) - 517 hp, 1748 kg
    7.47 min - Porsche 911 Turbo PDK (997.2) - 500 hp, 1573 kg
    7.47 min – Porsche 911 GT3 RS (996) – 381 hp, 1373 kg, semi-slicks
    7.47 min – Wiesmann GT MF5 – 507 hp, 1421 kg, semi-slicks
    7.47 min – Lamborghini Murciιlago LP640 E-gear – 640 hp, 1805 kg, semi-slicks
    7.47 min – Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano – 620 hp, 1748 kg
    7.48 min – Porsche 911 GT3 (997 mk1) – 415 hp, 1440 kg, semi-slicks
    7.48 min – BMW M3 GTS – 450 hp, 1546 kg, semi-slicks
    7.48 min – Porsche 911 GT3 RS (997 mk1) – 415 hp, 1424 kg, semi-slicks
    7.49 min – Corvette Z06 – 512 hp, 1440 kg
    7.50 min – Porsche 911 Carrera S PDK (997 mk2) – 385 hp, 1450 kg, semi-slicks
    7.50 min – BMW M3 CSL – 360 hp, 1421 kg, semi-slicks
    7.51 min - Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG Black Series - 670 hp, 1880 kg
    7.52 min – Porsche Panamera Turbo S - 550 hp, 2028 kg
    7.52 min – Porsche 911 Turbo (997 mk1) – 2nd attempt, 480 hp, 1580 kg (est.), semi-slicks
    7.52 min – Ford GT – 550 hp, 1599 kg
    7.52 min – Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 – 560 hp, 1590 kg, semi-slicks
    7.52 min – Lamborghini Gallardo E-gear ’03 (sport-suspension) – 500 hp, 1613 kg
    7.52 min – Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren – 626 hp, 1747 kg
    7.54 min – Porsche 911 Turbo (997 mk1) – 1st attempt, 480 hp, 1581 kg, semi-slicks
    7.54 min – Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM AMG – 582 hp, 1678 kg, semi-slicks
    7.55 min – Ferrari F430 F1 – 490 hp, 1493 kg, semi-slicks
    7.56 min – Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale – 425 hp, 1387 kg, semi-slicks
    7.56 min – Ferrari California – 460 hp, 1787 kg
    7.57 min – AC Schnitzer Tension (M6) – 552 hp, 1797 kg, semi-slicks
    7.58 min - Raeder-Ford Focus RS - 363 hp, 1441 kg, semi-slicks
    7.59 min - Audi RS5 (facelift) - 450 hp, 1880 kg
    8.01 min - Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Coupι Performance Package - 487 hp, 1770 kg
    8.02 min - Aston Martin DBS - 517 hp, 1727 kg
    8.03 min - Jaguar XKR-S - 550 hp, 1843 kg
    8.03 min – Aston Martin V8 Vantage ’06 – 385 hp, 1636 kg, semi-slicks
    8.03 min - Mercedes-Benz CLS63 AMG Performance Package - 557 hp, 1919 kg
    8.04 min - Porsche Boxster S PDK - 315 hp, 1405 kg
    8.04 min – Audi R8 (V8) – 420 hp, 1595 kg, semi-slicks
    8.05 min – Porsche 911 Carrera S (997 mk1) – 355 hp, 1461 kg, sport-suspension
    8.05 min – BMW M3 Coupι (E92) – 420 hp, 1608 kg, semi-slicks
    8.05 min – Mercedes-Benz CLK63 AMG Black Series – 507 hp, 1745 kg, semi-slicks
    8.05 min - Ferrari 575M Maranello F1 - 525 hp, 1775 kg
    8.06 min - Porsche Cayman R PDK - 330 hp, 1385 kg, semi-slicks (Conti ForceContact)
    8.07 min - Ferrari 550 Maranello - 485 hp, 1724 kg
    8.09 min - Audi TT RS - 340 hp, 1483 kg
    8.09 min - Ferrari 360 Modena - 400 hp, 1464 kg
    8.09 min – Audi RS4 ’06 – 420 hp, 1728 kg, semi-slicks
    8.09 min – BMW M6 – 507 hp, 1761 kg, semi-slicks
    8.10 min - Porsche Cayman R PDK - 330 hp, 1385 kg
    8.10 min - Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG '10 - 525 hp, 1889 kg
    8.10 min – KTM X-Bow Clubsport – 240 hp, 858 kg, semi-slicks
    8.10 min – BMW Alpina B6 S – 530 hp, 1815 kg
    8.13 min – BMW M5 (E60) – 507 hp, 1844 kg
    8.13 min – [COLOR=#3A3A3A !important][COLOR=#3A3A3A !important]Dodge [COLOR=#3A3A3A !important]Viper[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] SRT-10 – 506 hp, 1585 kg
    8.13 min – Artega GT – 300 hp, 1272 kg, semi-slicks
    8.13 min – Aston Martin V8 Vantage ’06 – 385 hp, 1636 kg
    8.14 min – Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG – 612 hp, 2049 kg
    8.14 min – BMW Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupι – 360 hp, 1634 kg
    8.14 min – Mercedes-Benz SLK55 AMG Black Series – 400 hp, 1506 kg, semi-slicks
    8.14 min – Steinmetz-Opel Astra OPC – 285 hp, 1418 kg, semi-slicks
    8.15 min – BMW Alpina Roadster S (Z4) – 300 hp, 1416 kg, semi-slicks
    8.15 min - BMW 1M Coupι - 340 hp, 1513 kg
    8.15 min – Corvette C6 – 404 hp, 1492 kg
    8.16 min – AC Schnitzer V8 Topster (Z4) – 450 hp, 1557 kg, semi-slicks
    8.16 min – Aston Martin DB9 Touchtronic (mk1) – 457 hp, 1847 kg
    8.16 min - AC Schnitzer-BMW CSL II - 350 hp, 1401 kg
    8.17 min – Porsche Cayman S PDK (987 mk2) – 320 hp, 1458 kg
    8.17 min - Aston Martin Vanquish - 460 hp, 1888 kg
    8.18 min – Lexus IS-F – 423 hp, 1726 kg
    8.18 min - Ferrari F355 Berlinetta - 380 hp, 1350 kg (est.)
    8.18 min – Porsche Boxster S PDK (987 mk2) – 310 hp, 1447 kg
    8.18 min - BMW Z8 - 400 hp, 1651 kg
    8.18 min – Maserati GranSport – 400 hp, 1672 kg
    8.20 min - Audi RS6 Sedan '02 - 450 hp, 1908 kg
    8.20 min - Audi RS3 Sportback - 340 hp, 1647 kg
    8.22 min – Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG – 367 hp, 1680 kg
    8.22 min - BMW M3 (E46) - 343 hp, 1584 kg
    8.22 min - BMW Z3 M Coupι - 321 hp, 1445 kg
    8.23 min – Porsche Boxster S (987 mk1) – 280 hp, 1426 kg
    8.23 min - Aston Martin DB7 GT - 442 hp, 1833 kg
    8.24 min – BMW X6 M – 555 hp, 2343 kg
    8.24 min – Subaru Impreza WRX STi ’04 – 265 hp, 1487 kg, semi-slicks
    8.24 min – Mercedes-Benz SLK55 AMG – 360 hp, 1566 kg
    8.25 min – Porsche Cayman S (987 mk1) – 295 hp, 1412 kg
    8.25 min – Ford Focus RS (mk2) – 305 hp, 1485 kg, semi-slicks
    8.25 min – Audi RS4 ’00 – 380 hp, 1675 kg
    8.25 min – Jaguar XKR – 416 hp, 1775 kg
    8.25 min – Lotus Exige S ’08 – 243 hp, 940 kg, semi-slicks
    8.26 min – Nissan 350Z – 280 hp, 1526 kg
    8.26 min – Audi S5 Coupι – 354 hp, 1722 kg
    8.26 min – Ford Focus RS (mk2) – 305 hp, 1485 kg
    8.26 min – BMW 335i Coupι – 306 hp, 1610 kg
    8.28 min - BMW M5 (E39) - 400 hp, 1833 kg
    8.29 min – Audi TTS – 272 hp, 1438 kg
    8.29 min - Renault Mιgane RS Cup '11 - 250 hp, 1409 kg
    8.29 min - Audi S4 Avant '03 - 344 hp, 1826 kg
    8.29 min – MTM-Volkswagen Golf V GTi DSG – 272 hp, 1437 kg
    8.32 min – BMW Z4 Coupι 3.0si – 265 hp, 1408 kg
    8.32 min - BMW Z3 M Roadster - 321 hp, 1410 kg
    8.32 min – Lotus Exige S2 ’04 – 192 hp, 907 kg, semi-slicks
    8.34 min - Volkswagen Golf R - 270 hp, 1531 kg
    8.36 min - BMW Alpina B3 3.3 Coupι '99 - 280 hp, 1495 kg
    8.38 min – Renault Mιgane Sport Trophy – 224 hp, 1371 kg
    8.38 min - Volkswagen Golf GTi Edition 35 - 235 hp, 1390 kg
    8.40 min – Audi TT 2.0 TFSI – 200 hp, 1322 kg
    8.41 min - Aston Martin DB7 Vantage '99 - 420 hp, 1847 kg
    8.41 min – Audi S3 ’99 – 210 hp, 1489 kg
    8.42 min - Audi S4 '98 - 265 hp, 1592 kg
    8.45 min – Volvo C30 T5 – 230 hp, 1450 kg
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    Putting the 2015 BMW F82 M4 7:52 laptime in context against the E92 and E46 M3's

    Sport Auto took the new 2015 F82 M4 out to the Nurburgring and as is customary when testing there recorded a laptime. So how did the car do? They managed a 7 minute and 52 second laptime in favorable conditions. The temperature during the lap attempt was 59 degrees so fairly cool. Additionally, the car had the high performance options available including the DCT transmission, carbon ceramic brakes, and Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires.

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    How does this laptime stand up against the E46 and E92 generation? Well, Sport Auto happened to test the E92 M3 GTS and recorded a 7:48. The E46 M3 CSL in Sport Auto's hands as well managed a 7:50. So, yes, technically the E92 M3 and E46 M3 have both posted quicker laptimes on the Nurburgring using the same source.

    M4 fanboys will no doubt cry foul and state those two models are track specials and they are right. In the interest of fairness, Sport Auto in a standard manual E92 M3 lapped in 8:05 and did 8:22 with the standard E46 M3. Now these times are being mentioned to put this M4 lap in context but there will also be E46 M3 fanboys who will point out they did not have the same quality rubber available and E92 M3 fanboys who will say they did not have the same carbon ceramic brakes, or transmission, etc.

    This is not a perfect science. Is the F82 M4 capable? Yes. But as the recent 427 wheel horsepower dyno shows one should expect a quicker laptime with that much power, carbon ceramic brakes, and a sub 3600 pound curb weight. The fact the E92 M3 GTS and E46 M3 CSL both lap quicker with much less power and torque definitely should help put the M4 laptime in perspective. As should the list of Nurburgring laptimes below.

    7.39 min – Ferrari 430 Scuderia – 510 hp, 1402 kg, semi-slicks
    7.40 min – Porsche 911 GT3 (997 mk2) – 435 hp, 1426 kg, semi-slicks
    7.40 min – Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG – 571 hp, 1647 kg, sport-suspension
    7.42 min – Lamborghini Murciιlago LP670-4 SV – 670 hp, 1764 kg, semi-slicks
    7.44 min - Porsche 911 Carrera S PDK (991) - 400 hp, 1497 kg, sport-suspension
    7.44 min - Porsche 911 Turbo S (997.2) - 530 hp, 1569 kg
    7.44 min – Audi R8 5.2 FSI R-tronic – 525 hp, 1660 kg, semi-slicks
    7.44 min – Pagani Zonda S – 555 hp, 1388 kg
    7.46 min - Porsche 911 GT2 (996.1) - 462 hp, 1450 kg
    7.46 min – Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera – 530 hp, 1528 kg, semi-slicks
    7.46 min - Mercedes C63 AMG Black Series (Aero Pack, Dunlop SportMaxxRace M0) - 517 hp, 1748 kg
    7.47 min - Porsche 911 Turbo PDK (997.2) - 500 hp, 1573 kg
    7.47 min – Porsche 911 GT3 RS (996) – 381 hp, 1373 kg, semi-slicks
    7.47 min – Wiesmann GT MF5 – 507 hp, 1421 kg, semi-slicks
    7.47 min – Lamborghini Murciιlago LP640 E-gear – 640 hp, 1805 kg, semi-slicks
    7.47 min – Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano – 620 hp, 1748 kg
    7.48 min – Porsche 911 GT3 (997 mk1) – 415 hp, 1440 kg, semi-slicks
    7.48 min – BMW M3 GTS – 450 hp, 1546 kg, semi-slicks
    7.48 min – Porsche 911 GT3 RS (997 mk1) – 415 hp, 1424 kg, semi-slicks
    7.49 min – Corvette Z06 – 512 hp, 1440 kg
    7.50 min – Porsche 911 Carrera S PDK (997 mk2) – 385 hp, 1450 kg, semi-slicks
    7.50 min – BMW M3 CSL – 360 hp, 1421 kg, semi-slicks
    7.51 min - Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG Black Series - 670 hp, 1880 kg
    7.52 min – Porsche Panamera Turbo S - 550 hp, 2028 kg
    7.52 min – Porsche 911 Turbo (997 mk1) – 2nd attempt, 480 hp, 1580 kg (est.), semi-slicks
    7.52 min – Ford GT – 550 hp, 1599 kg
    7.52 min – Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 – 560 hp, 1590 kg, semi-slicks
    7.52 min – Lamborghini Gallardo E-gear ’03 (sport-suspension) – 500 hp, 1613 kg
    7.52 min – Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren – 626 hp, 1747 kg
    7.54 min – Porsche 911 Turbo (997 mk1) – 1st attempt, 480 hp, 1581 kg, semi-slicks
    7.54 min – Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM AMG – 582 hp, 1678 kg, semi-slicks
    7.55 min – Ferrari F430 F1 – 490 hp, 1493 kg, semi-slicks
    7.56 min – Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale – 425 hp, 1387 kg, semi-slicks
    7.56 min – Ferrari California – 460 hp, 1787 kg
    7.57 min – AC Schnitzer Tension (M6) – 552 hp, 1797 kg, semi-slicks
    7.58 min - Raeder-Ford Focus RS - 363 hp, 1441 kg, semi-slicks
    7.59 min - Audi RS5 (facelift) - 450 hp, 1880 kg
    8.01 min - Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Coupι Performance Package - 487 hp, 1770 kg
    8.02 min - Aston Martin DBS - 517 hp, 1727 kg
    8.03 min - Jaguar XKR-S - 550 hp, 1843 kg
    8.03 min – Aston Martin V8 Vantage ’06 – 385 hp, 1636 kg, semi-slicks
    8.03 min - Mercedes-Benz CLS63 AMG Performance Package - 557 hp, 1919 kg
    8.04 min - Porsche Boxster S PDK - 315 hp, 1405 kg
    8.04 min – Audi R8 (V8) – 420 hp, 1595 kg, semi-slicks
    8.05 min – Porsche 911 Carrera S (997 mk1) – 355 hp, 1461 kg, sport-suspension
    8.05 min – BMW M3 Coupι (E92) – 420 hp, 1608 kg, semi-slicks
    8.05 min – Mercedes-Benz CLK63 AMG Black Series – 507 hp, 1745 kg, semi-slicks
    8.05 min - Ferrari 575M Maranello F1 - 525 hp, 1775 kg
    8.06 min - Porsche Cayman R PDK - 330 hp, 1385 kg, semi-slicks (Conti ForceContact)
    8.07 min - Ferrari 550 Maranello - 485 hp, 1724 kg
    8.09 min - Audi TT RS - 340 hp, 1483 kg
    8.09 min - Ferrari 360 Modena - 400 hp, 1464 kg
    8.09 min – Audi RS4 ’06 – 420 hp, 1728 kg, semi-slicks
    8.09 min – BMW M6 – 507 hp, 1761 kg, semi-slicks
    8.10 min - Porsche Cayman R PDK - 330 hp, 1385 kg
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    thats a good perspective. more power, similar weight to the GTS. what were the standard GTS tires?

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    impressive imo

    can anyone further clarify what the handicapped caused on this run? the avg 7 second time difference?
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    At first I'm thinking...7:52? That's weak...but when you really start looking at it...not too many 4 passenger cars are above it on the list, and there's only what? Maybe one straight away where brute power really makes up for anything in the turns. I think BMW built another great car but no doubt they are focusing on straight line performance and luxury. Hey, that's what the consumers are demanding though, so I'm ok with that, and still respectable on the track IMO. Gotta say though, if you're looking for a sports car for pure performance in that price range. The corvette is just so far ahead of everyone else per dollar it is insane. GTR too, but still...an extra $30-40k depending on packages
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    again, compare the base car to the base cars. $#@!ing fan boys..... This car smashed the e46 and e92 base cars. PERIOD

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    This S65 fan boy $#@! here is annoying. That's why I spend less time here lately.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    again, compare the base car to the base cars. $#@!ing fan boys..... This car smashed the e46 and e92 base cars. PERIOD

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    Sooooo what youre saying here is that the e92 base car should've been faster than the csl? But it wasn't. The gts was only marginally faster than the csl. Mind you the csl was on a dot street tire damn near slick. I'd say it's a damn strong car. However, like all other Bmw's very slow times at the ring but a huge improvement.

    ohhhhhhhhh and before I forget, how much did the gts cost? For how many seconds per lap quicker? Oh that's right it doesn't matter, not only are they extremely limited but it's not for sale in the US. But who cares, the M4 is 4 seconds slower.

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    Has anyone ever posted an official ring time for the e9x M3 DCT/DSG? I am curious to see what the difference would be over the course of 13-14 miles. F1 claims that they shifted 60 times over the 3.2 mile version of the circuit - would imagine it's a decent amount more on the full track. Point is, I could see a decent difference between a DSG optioned M3 and a DCT - but am not sure how much.

    If the times don't exist for the difference (between the M3s) - I am sure someone has published numbers for another manual vs. dual clutch car... Got me curious now. Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
    Sooooo what youre saying here is that the e92 base car should've been faster than the csl? But it wasn't. The gts was only marginally faster than the csl. Mind you the csl was on a dot street tire damn near slick. I'd say it's a damn strong car. However, like all other Bmw's very slow times at the ring but a huge improvement.

    ohhhhhhhhh and before I forget, how much did the gts cost? For how many seconds per lap quicker? Oh that's right it doesn't matter, not only are they extremely limited but it's not for sale in the US. But who cares, the M4 is 4 seconds slower.
    Yeah, I think i'd rather see some lap times at some US tracks like road america, sebring, or laguna seca. Especially sebring since it's actually close enough for me to drive to for weekend events.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    again, compare the base car to the base cars. $#@!ing fan boys..... This car smashed the e46 and e92 base cars. PERIOD
    Or compare cars in the same conditions with same brakes and same tires and the same transmission. It didn't smash anything.

    The E92 and E46 are both ahead of it whether you like to admit it or not. They also did it with less power.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    This S65 fan boy $#@! here is annoying. That's why I spend less time here lately.
    Because you have trouble somehow understanding multiple M models were made and ran on the ring by the same source and you don't like that the quickest of them around the ring had an S65? Sorry about that.

    All the times are listed to get a complete picture from all the cars. You're acting like a fanboy.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
    Sooooo what youre saying here is that the e92 base car should've been faster than the csl? But it wasn't. The gts was only marginally faster than the csl. Mind you the csl was on a dot street tire damn near slick. I'd say it's a damn strong car. However, like all other Bmw's very slow times at the ring but a huge improvement.

    ohhhhhhhhh and before I forget, how much did the gts cost? For how many seconds per lap quicker? Oh that's right it doesn't matter, not only are they extremely limited but it's not for sale in the US. But who cares, the M4 is 4 seconds slower.
    How much does a C63 Black Series cost over a C63? A 911 GT3 over a 911 Carrera? Once you want to start shaving seconds it adds up.

    The main difference is that with those cars you get adjustable suspension and aerodynamics meaning if you are serious you tailor your car to the track. Same thing with the GTS. They also are designed for multiple laps at WOT, not limp mode.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ChuckD05 Click here to enlarge
    THIS
    Why? Because then the M4 isn't slower than the E46 and E92?

    Compare all the cars for a complete picture instead of leaving the data out to please sensitives. What little girls!
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    so far there's no track special for the m4, once there is things will be different
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    Of course but we can't skip to the future or make BMW create models to appease someone on a forum who doesn't like that there are quicker previous generation M cars.

    As stated the GTS would be superior around the track and it is. The article states putting the laptime in context against the E46 and E92 and provides the laptimes for both and both M models. It doesn't say anything about putting it in context only against the base models to appease sensitivities. It's really comical anyone takes issue with all the times being presented. Yeah, such fanboyism to list both so people can come to their own conclusion. Lulz.
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    The E92 M3 GTS was also run on Pirelli p zero Corsa tires which are Semi-Slick competition tires with a wear rating of 60 clearly racing tires. The m4 was running regular max performance Michelin Pilot Super Sports with a wear rating of 300 which are worlds apart from the Pirellis on the GTS. Tire change alone could make up that time plus more. Pretty impressive

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
    The E92 M3 GTS was also run on Pirelli p zero Corsa tires which are Semi-Slick competition tires with a wear rating of 60 clearly racing tires. The m4 was running regular max performance Michelin Pilot Super Sports with a wear rating of 300 which are worlds apart from the Pirellis on the GTS. Tire change alone could make up that time plus more. Pretty impressive
    Carbon ceramic brakes could make a big difference. Track temp could make a big difference.

    Changing the suspension, aero, etc.

    It is what it is.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Carbon ceramic brakes could make a big difference. Track temp could make a big difference.

    Changing the suspension, aero, etc.

    It is what it is.
    Carbon ceramics deff make a big difference just on unsprung weight savings alone. Deff impressive but id like to see how it reacts to a 15-20 minute session in summer heat. The temps were pretty good for this test and the ring is a high speed track so the coolers got plenty of air.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
    Carbon ceramics deff make a big difference just on unsprung weight savings alone. Deff impressive but id like to see how it reacts to a 15-20 minute session in summer heat. The temps were pretty good for this test and the ring is a high speed track so the coolers got plenty of air.
    The temps were really good and people are missing that.

    I know what the better track cars are. The M4 has a straightline and power emphasis now. It obviously doesn't handle poorly by any means.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The temps were really good and people are missing that.

    I know what the better track cars are. The M4 has a straightline and power emphasis now. It obviously doesn't handle poorly by any means.
    The GTS was ran in September, hardly extreme heat in Germany at that time. Put all 3 on the same tires and I am willing to bet your eyes will open. It takes a lot more than some CC brakes to drop a dramatic amount of time. It will take damn near reinventing the wheel. Compare the earliest Z06's 7:49 to the most recent 7:22.6 time. They didn't change HP, they did it revising suspension, tires, aero, and brakes. Add some aftermarket components and you're golden on the M4.

    I also do not understand your argument. You're talking about fanboys where in reality you're the one who is not impressed with the M4's lap times, quoting the GTS and CSL. Let's focus on both of the models. They both cost nearly double of their based models. The GTS is only 4 seconds faster on a higher rated tire. Tire makes all the difference in this equation. What's not to see about that? You can't go and buy a GTS but you can go and buy the M4. The M4 has more than just power in a straighline and clearly the lap times show.
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    Not to mention, with PCCB, PDK, and Cup tires the 997.2 911 managed a 7:50. Definitely placing the M4 right where it needs to be.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
    The GTS was ran in September, hardly extreme heat in Germany at that time. Put all 3 on the same tires and I am willing to bet your eyes will open. It takes a lot more than some CC brakes to drop a dramatic amount of time. It will take damn near reinventing the wheel. Compare the earliest Z06's 7:49 to the most recent 7:22.6 time. They didn't change HP, they did it revising suspension, tires, aero, and brakes. Add some aftermarket components and you're golden on the M4.

    I also do not understand your argument. You're talking about fanboys where in reality you're the one who is not impressed with the M4's lap times, quoting the GTS and CSL. Let's focus on both of the models. They both cost nearly double of their based models. The GTS is only 4 seconds faster on a higher rated tire. Tire makes all the difference in this equation. What's not to see about that? You can't go and buy a GTS but you can go and buy the M4. The M4 has more than just power in a straighline and clearly the lap times show.
    Was it the exact same weather conditions?

    Does it matter anyway? The GTS with less power beats it. That means it's making up the distance in the turns not the straights.

    I didn't say I wasn't impressed. I said I put in context and it's only fair in that case to mention ALL THE TIMES and not just pick and choose the times that M4 fanboys like, right?

    The fastest BMW around the ring has an S65 and was produced before the M4. Sorry about reality.
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    What's going to be your excuse when there is an F82 M4 CSL/GTS track version and it decimates the previous special edition e46 and e92 models? What will all of the fanboys have to complain about then?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Because you have trouble somehow understanding multiple M models were made and ran on the ring by the same source and you don't like that the quickest of them around the ring had an S65? Sorry about that.

    All the times are listed to get a complete picture from all the cars. You're acting like a fanboy.
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