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    So an S65 can't run 700whp reliably in stock form?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by B00stGeek Click here to enlarge
    So an S65 can't run 700whp reliably in stock form?
    You're free to find out. I'd prefer to build the motor and run more than that reliably.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    You're free to find out. I'd prefer to build the motor and run more than that reliably.
    Just curious for knowledge. No interest in owning an s65. You have a whole different issue on your hands. Still need to find out if that DCT will hold big power reliably.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by B00stGeek Click here to enlarge
    Just curious for knowledge. No interest in owning an s65. You have a whole different issue on your hands. Still need to find out if that DCT will hold big power reliably.
    I'm pretty sure I know considering what it does in the M5/M6 and that it already held 21 psi.

    Regarding your question, if someone was to try to hit the highest possible horsepower on stock internals dropping compression with a thicket headgasket like the S50 guys do isn't a bad idea. On the 12.0:1 with race gas you might get around that 700 whp mark. I wouldn't be comfortable doing that unless the bearings had been replaced but 600 hp on 91 octane at 7.5 psi means on 100 octane at 10 psi you're going to approach your target.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I'm pretty I know considering what it does in the M5/M6 and that it already held 21 psi.

    Regarding your question, if someone was to try to hit the highest possible horsepower on stock internals dropping compression with a thicket headgasket like the S50 guys do isn't a bad idea. On the 12.0:1 with race gas you might get around that 700 whp mark. I wouldn't be comfortable doing that unless the bearings had been replaced but 600 hp on 91 octane at 7.5 psi means on 100 octane at 10 psi you're going to approach your target.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I'm pretty I know considering what it does in the M5/M6 and that it already held 21 psi.

    Regarding your question, if someone was to try to hit the highest possible horsepower on stock internals dropping compression with a thicket headgasket like the S50 guys do isn't a bad idea. On the 12.0:1 with race gas you might get around that 700 whp mark. I wouldn't be comfortable doing that unless the bearings had been replaced but 600 hp on 91 octane at 7.5 psi means on 100 octane at 10 psi you're going to approach your target.
    Okay.. Not sure exactly what the highest hp/tq figures are on the m5/m6.

    So it would take 100 octane and 10psi to reach 700whp?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by klipseracer Click here to enlarge
    DCT Update?
    Getting a new pump and plates. It should in theory be much stronger than the units in the M5/M6.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by B00stGeek Click here to enlarge
    So it would take 100 octane and 10psi to reach 700whp?
    Maybe more. It's just a ballpark guess as far as approaching that figure based on 600 whp on 91 octane at 7.5 psi.

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    Interesting...
    I would have thought it would be easier for the S65 to reach 700whp than the S54. Seeing as the S54 has done it with less than 10psi. But then again, the S54 has made 700+ on a stock motor as well.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by B00stGeek Click here to enlarge
    I would have thought it would be easier for the S65 to reach 700whp than the S54. Seeing as the S54 has done it with less than 10psi. But then again, the S54 has made 700+ on a stock motor as well.
    They are different compression. The S65 is 12.0:1 whereas the S54 is 11.5:1.

    The S65 does make a little more power per pound of boost due to it but also will need higher quality fuel to prevent detonation.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    They are different compression. The S65 is 12.0:1 whereas the S54 is 11.5:1.

    The S65 does make a little more power per pound of boost due to it but also will need higher quality fuel to prevent detonation.
    Okay

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    Seriously what comforts does an M3 have over a Supra?

    God it is so pointless having a discussion with you when you just hump you car constantly.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Is this a serious question?




    Yeah and the motor that does that is still spooling. If all you care about is peak HP by all means go for a Supra.



    A Mustang 5.0 is cheaper than either. Who cares?



    If you can't afford it then it isn't for you. I don't see 458 Italia guys complaining about the price of a UGR twin turbo kit or that the Supra makes more power. They probably don't care.

    Go for a ride in the car and come talk to me.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    Seriously what comforts does an M3 have over a Supra?

    God it is so pointless having a discussion with you when you just hump you car constantly.
    you are mentally retarded if you don't know the difference of comfort between the 2 cars..

    no $#@! it's easier to make power in a supra than an m3, you're missing the entire point honestly
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
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    you are mentally retarded if you don't know the difference of comfort between the 2 cars..

    Please go on. As far as creature comforts go both have leather interiors, AC, Stereo. Granted I have never been in an m3 with a stock suspension but I have in a Supra and it wasn't a uncomfortable ride or anything. pre LCI I drive isn't that great, GPS sucks, screen is constantly split. I guess it does have Aux in...Either car's ICE would be beaten with a cheap-o $300 headunit.

    As far as the Supra The Ghost brought it up above and I agree with what he said. That is all. People nut hugging about how great the S65 is and putting down the Supra's engine when it has tripled the HP the S65 has with 1L less displacement is a joke.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Getting a new pump and plates. It should in theory be much stronger than the units in the M5/M6.

    And these are OEM upgraded plates, correct? Any ETA? Does anyone have any hard parts yet?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    Seriously what comforts does an M3 have over a Supra?
    You're seriously comparing the luxury, comfort, and interior features of an E9X generation M3 to a 90's Supra? Basically everything inside is better. EVERYTHING.

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    God it is so pointless having a discussion with you when you just hump you car constantly.
    Sorry I bought the car I wanted and not a Supra. It's kind of pointless to bring up a 90's Toyota in a thread about a turbo kit for an M3 don't you think?

    If I wanted a Supra wouldn't I have one? If you are humping it so hard go buy one. Check the forum section you're in if you're confused or lost.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by klipseracer Click here to enlarge
    And these are OEM upgraded plates, correct? Any ETA? Does anyone have any hard parts yet?
    They are not OEM, no.

    ETA what I was told was plates first then the pump and installation should only be a couple days. So whenever the plates are in I guess.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    Please go on. As far as creature comforts go both have leather interiors, AC, Stereo. Granted I have never been in an m3 with a stock suspension but I have in a Supra and it wasn't a uncomfortable ride or anything. pre LCI I drive isn't that great, GPS sucks, screen is constantly split. I guess it does have Aux in...Either car's ICE would be beaten with a cheap-o $300 headunit.

    As far as the Supra The Ghost brought it up above and I agree with what he said. That is all. People nut hugging about how great the S65 is and putting down the Supra's engine when it has tripled the HP the S65 has with 1L less displacement is a joke.
    OMG so sexy, not decades dated or anything and super usable back seats and all:

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    What's a joke is thinking a 3.0 liter inline-6 can make more power than a higher revving 4.0 liter V8. I'll take less lag, more revs, and a more modern platform that is also a BMW, thanks.

    You can throw enough boost at anything, yawn.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    They are not OEM, no.

    ETA what I was told was plates first then the pump and installation should only be a couple days. So whenever the plates are in I guess.
    Thanks. I was under the impression for some reason that not only was the TCU cracked but someone had contacted getrag directly.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by klipseracer Click here to enlarge
    Thanks. I was under the impression for some reason that not only was the TCU cracked but someone had contacted getrag directly.
    You are under the correct impression. Some parts are from Getrag, some aren't. And yes, software is also a big part.

    I can say with confidence nobody else has this and I will be the first.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    You are under the correct impression. Some parts are from Getrag, some aren't. And yes, software is also a big part. I can say with confidence nobody else has this and I will be the first.
    Ive heard software is whats keeping the e60 m5 from getting a dct. So the smg ---> dct swap should be underway?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M5 253 Click here to enlarge
    Ive heard software is whats keeping the e60 m5 from getting a dct. So the smg ---> dct swap should be underway?
    I really don't much of anything about the swap other than Gintani says it can be done.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I'm pretty sure I know considering what it does in the M5/M6 and that it already held 21 psi.

    Regarding your question, if someone was to try to hit the highest possible horsepower on stock internals dropping compression with a thicket headgasket like the S50 guys do isn't a bad idea. On the 12.0:1 with race gas you might get around that 700 whp mark. I wouldn't be comfortable doing that unless the bearings had been replaced but 600 hp on 91 octane at 7.5 psi means on 100 octane at 10 psi you're going to approach your target.
    I really hope the thicker headgasket thing works. It's common in the 2JZ-GE world and other platforms. Dropping compression to 10:1 would help a lot I think, could run a lot more boost.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sered Click here to enlarge
    I really hope the thicker headgasket thing works. It's common in the 2JZ-GE world and other platforms. Dropping compression to 10:1 would help a lot I think, could run a lot more boost.
    I mean people could try it and it is a budget way to drop compression but most people will probably build their motor. I mean I'd love for someone to push it until it breaks to see the limit personally.

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    Has anyone blown a S65 because they were making too much power? All the ones I've ever seen were due to either rod bearings or detonation. If you address the bearing issue as you said, and then the headgaskets will reduce the chances of the 2nd issue; then I'd expect a S65 to be able to handle more than 450ft-lbs of torque before having trouble

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