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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    Ok, so AA is the only company selling kits and other aftermarket parts for the S65?

    How far $20k will get me? Seriously bro? Well lets see...an AA Level 3 kit is all you need to reach what seems to be the upper end of what S65's are producing these days and the kit is $14,000 which includes absolutely everything. Plus it's easier to install yourself than a custom turbo kit on an N54, so I guess the question is...what could I have done with the other $6k? Exhaust, coilovers, etc...not to mention I did say $20k+...the number is actually about $30k but that includes cosmetic bits, wheels, tires, etc, and I didn't count that towards actual performance "under the hood" upgrades
    Just search the S65 forum for any other info you want. This thread isn't a general let's have an S65 chat.

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    Sticky, you do realize you are the one derailing the thread, not the people you are berating. I made a simple statement that the cost of admission for an M3 is high. Nothing more.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ging Click here to enlarge
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    Thank you. Nothing further needs to be said.
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    Honest question, because I have no idea. What does that kit cost?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Honest question, because I have no idea. What does that kit cost?
    More than what the average N54 owner who is counting pennies with 335 mods will pay, anyways no N54 owner is going to switch over to a built motor M3, ever.

    But really I'm curious too.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    More than what the average N54 owner who is counting pennies with 335 mods will pay, anyways no N54 owner is going to switch over to a built motor M3, ever.

    But really I'm curious too.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Honest question, because I have no idea. What does that kit cost?

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    How many of you guys have driven a SC s65? I did... and immediately planned how to build one of my own.


    I would also argue it may cost more to get a 335 to a 600whp sc m3 level.

    -coil overs
    -Diff
    -transmission upgrade (auto or manual)
    -M suspension parts
    -FBO parts
    -Turbo Kit
    -Fueling upgrade kit (lpfp, hpfp, dual hpfp?)
    -Meth Kit
    -Gauges
    -Body work (unless you want to be a sleeper)

    Add that all up, it still won't handle like a m3 and/or be as reliable as a SC s65 with 600whp.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    How many of you guys have driven a SC s65? I did... and immediately planned how to build one of my own.


    I would also argue it may cost more to get a 335 to a 600whp sc m3 level.

    -coil overs
    -Diff
    -transmission upgrade (auto or manual)
    -M suspension parts
    -FBO parts
    -Turbo Kit
    -Fueling upgrade kit (lpfp, hpfp, dual hpfp?)
    -Meth Kit
    -Gauges
    -Body work (unless you want to be a sleeper)

    Add that all up, it still won't handle like a m3 and/or be as reliable as a SC s65 with 600whp.
    Could not disagree more. 95% of these people are not road racing these cars, also how many do you see an auto crossing them, people are building these things for roll, drag, and time racing in a straight line 95% of the time.

    So with that said

    -Coilovers - I paid $1300
    - Diff can do a full wave trac for around 2K even with a welded diff
    - MT upgrade not needed
    - Suspension parts, again not needed if you plan on doing what 95% of people are doing
    - FBO - 3-5K depending on brand
    - Turbo kit for 600-750WHP 6-9K
    - Fueling upgrade lets just say meth $700-900
    - gauges this would go under tuner as the AP is 6 gauges in one - $700
    - Body work? Def not needed for any build I am doing
    - you left out tuning lets just say a $1K

    So I paid $13K for our shop car

    $13,000
    $1300
    $2000
    $3-5000
    $6-9000
    $700-900
    $700
    $1000

    Low end $27,700
    High end $32,900

    Keep in mind this will get you MUCH more than 600WHP and 4XXWTQ

    For a high mileage 2008 M3 you are spending at least 30K, for a nice 2011 expect to spend 50-60 depending on the model

    So here we go.

    Car 30-60,000
    SC kit $12-20K

    Low End $42K
    High end $80K

    Low End Difference $14,300
    High End difference $47,100
    Keep in mind this is for about a maximum of 600WHP, going higher will require a full engine build, and most likely a tranny build

    So lets add on $20,000 for the engine build, we will leave the tranny off for now

    That now low end is $62K
    High end is 100K

    Difference

    N54 700WHP capable $27,700-$32,900
    M3 700WHP capable $62,000-$100,000

    For a minor difference of

    Low end - $27,638 or double
    High end - $67,100 or you can basically buy 3 N54's

    Lets keep in mind, I left out any installation costs, and I also left out tuning for the M3 which you most definitely need a custom tune if you want to make max power.

    I have driven a SC M3, and also had rides in them, meh, I like TQ, TQ is what makes a car fun to drive to me, this is my opinion, if you want TQ there is no debate on which platform delivers.

    So to review, the price to upgrade these cars to similar power levels is about the same, or the N54 is higher...Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Could not disagree more. 95% of these people are not road racing these cars, also how many do you see an auto crossing them, people are building these things for roll, drag, and time racing in a straight line 95% of the time.

    So with that said

    -Coilovers - I paid $1300
    - Diff can do a full wave trac for around 2K even with a welded diff
    - MT upgrade not needed
    - Suspension parts, again not needed if you plan on doing what 95% of people are doing
    - FBO - 3-5K depending on brand
    - Turbo kit for 600-750WHP 6-9K
    - Fueling upgrade lets just say meth $700-900
    - gauges this would go under tuner as the AP is 6 gauges in one - $700
    - Body work? Def not needed for any build I am doing
    - you left out tuning lets just say a $1K

    So I paid $13K for our shop car

    $13,000
    $1300
    $2000
    $3-5000
    $6-9000
    $700-900
    $700
    $1000

    Low end $27,700
    High end $32,900

    Keep in mind this will get you MUCH more than 600WHP and 4XXWTQ

    For a high mileage 2008 M3 you are spending at least 30K, for a nice 2011 expect to spend 50-60 depending on the model

    So here we go.

    Car 30-60,000
    SC kit $12-20K

    Low End $42K
    High end $80K

    Low End Difference $14,300
    High End difference $47,100
    Keep in mind this is for about a maximum of 600WHP, going higher will require a full engine build, and most likely a tranny build

    So lets add on $20,000 for the engine build, we will leave the tranny off for now

    That now low end is $62K
    High end is 100K

    Difference

    N54 700WHP capable $27,700-$32,900
    M3 700WHP capable $62,000-$100,000

    For a minor difference of

    Low end - $27,638 or double
    High end - $67,100 or you can basically buy 3 N54's

    Lets keep in mind, I left out any installation costs, and I also left out tuning for the M3 which you most definitely need a custom tune if you want to make max power.

    I have driven a SC M3, and also had rides in them, meh, I like TQ, TQ is what makes a car fun to drive to me, this is my opinion, if you want TQ there is no debate on which platform delivers.

    So to review, the price to upgrade these cars to similar power levels is about the same, or the N54 is higher...Click here to enlarge
    Amen Tony!! Although it is a better car no one is denying that...The cost of entry is not worth the small benefits in the end...I have driven a 600whp SC E92 M3 as well...Let alone rod bearing issues on early engines, cost of built engines, DCT transmission woes etc

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    In 2009 I paid $34k for my 2007 fully loaded 335

    In 2013 I paid $42k for my fully loaded dct 2009 m3

    Here is how I figure it.... but i buy decent parts for my cars

    335
    - Rear diff plus install - $3k
    - coilovers plus install - $1900
    - FBO Intercooler ($450) DP's ($450) Exhaust ($1k) plus install $1000- $2900
    - AR design oil cooler plus install - $1k
    - Cobb AP - $700
    - Turbo kit capable of 600whp ($7k)
    - Manual trans upgrade - Stg 3 clutch (you do need it to properly build this) - $1500 including install
    - Meth kit - $600 including install
    - Fuel upgrade? Yea I think you need it...your shotgun looks good. But lets leave that out. Just for giggles
    - Body kit? Mtech front...most members have something, mine was $2500 ith paint (mtech front, akrym cf lip, m3 sides) but lets leave that out too.

    Total for 600 whp 335 that still won't handle like a m3 (i know i had all these mods except a turbo kit). - $18,600

    M3 (two kits with two prices, just for comparison)

    - Evolve e600 kit - $14000 plus 2k for install/canned tune - $16,000
    - ESS 625 - $10,600 plus 2k for install/canned tune - $12,600

    Nothing else really needed....

    But if you want a xpipe/exhaust - $4000

    Total for 600 whp m3 that looks better, handles better, and keeps its resale value - Evolve -$20,000, ESS - $16,600

    *all these prices are all by memory and estimated, don't quote me on them but they are close enough on both sides for argument sake.


    Its a lot closer than people think. Thats if you go straight to a 335 turbo kit. How many 335 guys do that? Most buy tunes (i bought 3 different), play with different exhaust, IC's, and wheels (not included) brakes etc...

    oh and I think that 7k number for the turbo kit is low because i included labor in that ;-)
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    Plus, when its time to move on from your platform, which will get a better resale value? A heavily modded 335 or a Supercharged m3? You know the answer by a long shot.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    In 2009 I paid $34k for my 2007 fully loaded 335

    In 2013 I paid $42k for my fully loaded dct 2009 m3

    Here is how I figure it.... but i buy decent parts for my cars

    335
    - Rear diff plus install - $3k
    - coilovers plus install - $1900
    - FBO Intercooler ($450) DP's ($450) Exhaust ($1k) plus install $1000- $2900
    - AR design oil cooler plus install - $1k
    - Cobb AP - $700
    - Turbo kit capable of 600whp ($7k)
    - Manual trans upgrade - Stg 3 clutch (you do need it to properly build this) - $1500 including install
    - Meth kit - $600 including install
    - Fuel upgrade? Yea I think you need it...your shotgun looks good. But lets leave that out. Just for giggles
    - Body kit? Mtech front...most members have something, mine was $2500 ith paint (mtech front, akrym cf lip, m3 sides) but lets leave that out too.

    Total for 600 whp 335 that still won't handle like a m3 (i know i had all these mods except a turbo kit). - $18,600

    M3 (two kits with two prices, just for comparison)

    - Evolve e600 kit - $14000 plus 2k for install/canned tune - $16,000
    - ESS 625 - $10,600 plus 2k for install/canned tune - $12,600

    Nothing else really needed....

    But if you want a xpipe/exhaust - $4000

    Total for 600 whp m3 that looks better, handles better, and keeps its resale value - Evolve -$20,000, ESS - $16,600

    *all these prices are all by memory and estimated, don't quote me on them but they are close enough on both sides for argument sake.


    Its a lot closer than people think. Thats if you go straight to a 335 turbo kit. How many 335 guys do that? Most buy tunes (i bought 3 different), play with different exhaust, IC's, and wheels (not included) brakes etc...

    oh and I think that 7k number for the turbo kit is low because i included labor in that ;-)
    I mean sure, lets leave out the price of the car, I mean shoot if we are leaving out thre price of the car, lets throw in there what it takes to get a small block chevy to 600WHP or a mustang, BOTTOM LINE, you are paying at least 20-30K more to have a similar power M3 as you would with a 335. This is a fact. And lets be clear, the prices I speced are for top of the line parts, and a clutch is not a tranny upgrade its a clutch, secondly a wavetrac is a better lsd than a quaife, so if you are paying more for a quaife, you are putting the lower quality parts in your car. There no debate here, 30-50K car plus 15-20K for 600WHP is 45-70K anyway you want to slice it. A 15-20K car that you add 15-20K to for WELL over 600WHP is 35-40K or between 10-30K less money spend. The end

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    I mean sure, lets leave out the price of the car, I mean shoot if we are leaving out thre price of the car, lets throw in there what it takes to get a small block chevy to 600WHP or a mustang, BOTTOM LINE, you are paying at least 20-30K more to have a similar power M3 as you would with a 335. This is a fact. And lets be clear, the prices I speced are for top of the line parts, and a clutch is not a tranny upgrade its a clutch, secondly a wavetrac is a better lsd than a quaife, so if you are paying more for a quaife, you are putting the lower quality parts in your car. There no debate here, 30-50K car plus 15-20K for 600WHP is 45-70K anyway you want to slice it. A 15-20K car that you add 15-20K to for WELL over 600WHP is 35-40K or between 10-30K less money spend. The end
    Edit: Lets also not forget you are capped at 600WHP stock motor you want 700WHP get out your wallet and pull out another 20K bringing the 700WHP difference to between 30-70K. These are facts you get when you add up numbers including the car. Please add the price of your car in and come up with different numbers.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    I mean sure, lets leave out the price of the car, I mean shoot if we are leaving out thre price of the car, lets throw in there what it takes to get a small block chevy to 600WHP or a mustang, BOTTOM LINE, you are paying at least 20-30K more to have a similar power M3 as you would with a 335. This is a fact. And lets be clear, the prices I speced are for top of the line parts, and a clutch is not a tranny upgrade its a clutch, secondly a wavetrac is a better lsd than a quaife, so if you are paying more for a quaife, you are putting the lower quality parts in your car.
    There no debate here, 30-50K car plus 15-20K for 600WHP is 45-70K anyway you want to slice it. A 15-20K car that you add 15-20K to for WELL over 600WHP is 35-40K or between 10-30K less money spend. The end
    Leaving out the price of the car makes it worse IMO, favoring the m3. And now that you mention it, i forgot the upgraded single mass flywheel so it doesn't misfire ... OOPS. Plus wheels/tires since all 335's come with 18/17's and RUNFLATs. Good luck hooking up in a 335 with 600whp with run flats.

    So add another 3k to my pricing for those items
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Edit: Lets also not forget you are capped at 600WHP stock motor you want 700WHP get out your wallet and pull out another 20K bringing the 700WHP difference to between 30-70K. These are facts you get when you add up numbers including the car. Please add the price of your car in and come up with different numbers.
    I did add the price of the car.... read my reply. In 2009 I paid $34k for my 335, in 2013 I paid $42k

    With labor its honestly almost even (using my car purchase numbers). See why i drive a SC m3 now?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rooringhusky Click here to enlarge
    Amen Tony!! Although it is a better car no one is denying that...The cost of entry is not worth the small benefits in the end...I have driven a 600whp SC E92 M3 as well...Let alone rod bearing issues on early engines, cost of built engines, DCT transmission woes etc

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    You seriously think I care about your opinion about anything?

    If you can't comprehend the difference by now I can't help you. You can throw a bunch of boost at almost any pile of junk.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    I did add the price of the car.... read my reply. In 2009 I paid $34k for my 335, in 2013 I paid $42k

    With labor its honestly almost even (using my car purchase numbers). See why i drive a SC m3 now?
    I don't think he's ever even been in a supercharged M3.
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    It would be a more fair comparison if you include what you would have paid for your same 335 in 2014 or what your same m3 would have cost had you bought it in 2009.

    Either way a supercharged m3 is a Badass car just as a upgrade Twin or ST n54 is a Badass car.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    In 2009 I paid $34k for my 2007 fully loaded 335

    In 2013 I paid $42k for my fully loaded dct 2009 m3

    Here is how I figure it.... but i buy decent parts for my cars

    335
    - Rear diff plus install - $3k
    - coilovers plus install - $1900
    - FBO Intercooler ($450) DP's ($450) Exhaust ($1k) plus install $1000- $2900
    - AR design oil cooler plus install - $1k
    - Cobb AP - $700
    - Turbo kit capable of 600whp ($7k)
    - Manual trans upgrade - Stg 3 clutch (you do need it to properly build this) - $1500 including install
    - Meth kit - $600 including install
    - Fuel upgrade? Yea I think you need it...your shotgun looks good. But lets leave that out. Just for giggles
    - Body kit? Mtech front...most members have something, mine was $2500 ith paint (mtech front, akrym cf lip, m3 sides) but lets leave that out too.

    Total for 600 whp 335 that still won't handle like a m3 (i know i had all these mods except a turbo kit). - $18,600

    M3 (two kits with two prices, just for comparison)

    - Evolve e600 kit - $14000 plus 2k for install/canned tune - $16,000
    - ESS 625 - $10,600 plus 2k for install/canned tune - $12,600

    Nothing else really needed....

    But if you want a xpipe/exhaust - $4000

    Total for 600 whp m3 that looks better, handles better, and keeps its resale value - Evolve -$20,000, ESS - $16,600

    *all these prices are all by memory and estimated, don't quote me on them but they are close enough on both sides for argument sake.


    Its a lot closer than people think. Thats if you go straight to a 335 turbo kit. How many 335 guys do that? Most buy tunes (i bought 3 different), play with different exhaust, IC's, and wheels (not included) brakes etc...

    oh and I think that 7k number for the turbo kit is low because i included labor in that ;-)
    Or you could skip all of this, start with the better car, get the twin turbo kit and have 600 whp on pump gas while the 335 owner spends the difference in fuel pumps and never can have that kind of power, torque, or response daily.

    Hey, different strokes for different folks. Frankly the M3 stock is a more satisfying car to drive than a 335 tuned to any level. Some people get it, some don't.

    Some people feel the need to constantly defend some kind of inferiority complex. This is the S65 forum section and once again nobody with an M3 cares about any of this.

    Tony, why don't we race your stage 3 versus my car? I think you need to see it for yourself. I'll make it happen as the result will be priceless.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    You seriously think I care about your opinion about anything?

    If you can't comprehend the difference by now I can't help you. You can throw a bunch of boost at almost any pile of junk.
    LOL Who said I thought you care....I just like to rile you up since your so lost in your own world

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I don't think he's ever even been in a supercharged M3.
    LOL
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rooringhusky Click here to enlarge
    LOL Who said I thought you care....I just like to rile you up since your so lost in your own world
    Why don't I rile you up? You're in SoCal. Let's run and get it on video. Let's see your badass 335.
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    Hey sticky, here ia suggestion. Why don't you let members have discussions amoungst themselves without inserting yourself into each and every thread, and also guess what you did a again, you made another thread about your car, this isn't about your car, nor is it about racing, its quite clear what it is about, cost per WHP between the two platforms. THAT IS IT, nothing else, now if you want to insert your car into that topic, price per WHP you will just make more point even more solid. So no this isn't about racing your car, this is about cost for power, what does it cost to make X power, so please do your best to understand topic and leave it there. Ok so Bob, you paid 34K when you bought your 335, perfect, now go ahead and look up the price for a fully loaded M3 that year, and again add the price of the upgrades to get to 600WHP, then 700WHP. for the 335 and M3 Please post those for us to see, as that is the discussion at hand, and I am curious.

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