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    HAHA! yup. I'm a huge fan of the data so far. I can't wait to go and test drive one. The M2 is sounding more and more like it's going to be a disappointment so an F80 M3 may be my first M car. Or I might pick up the RB'd 335is for sale on here Click here to enlarge

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
    I definitely agree with this. It is very subjective and the S55 is some peoples wet dream.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
    Sutcliffe is saying the car doesn't benefit from being FI. What he is eluding to is the new chassis could be just as quick with a NA motor and still have the throttle response the M3 is known for.
    Actually the car does benefit from being FI...

    Also, eluding to different power plants is nice and all but you could say 'but if it had XXX engine it would be XXX' all day long.

    If they used electric motors to spin the turbine shafts and used variable geometry turbos they could have very close to the exact same NA instant throttle response with the FI gains. But guess what, they didn't. Fantasizing about what BMW could have done is a waste of time imo...

    Personally I wish they kept the high reving V8 for the m3 and then offered an M4 with the same V8 but with FI or called it the m3 GTS or whatever they want to for this generation.



    edit: people $#@!ed when they went from I6 to v8 saying it was the end of a generation. now they go back to the I6 and add in FI and it's an abomination. If they never went to the V8 and went straight to FI what would people be saying now?
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    Just read this, very interesting. Yet very early.

    Speaking at the international launch of the all-new F80/82 M3 and M4 in Portugal over the weekend, BMW M Division Head of Product Management Carsten Pries told motoring.com.au it was “foreseeable” that a four-cylinder engine could power the next generation of the iconic model.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    Actually the car does benefit from being FI...
    With positives, brings some negatives. I guess for Sutcliffe the negatives out weighed the positives (more torque, better fuel mileage, easier on the enviroment). But that was just his feeling anyways.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    If they used electric motors to spin the turbine shafts and used variable geometry turbos they could have the exact same NA instant throttle response with the FI gains. But guess what, they didn't. Fantasizing about what BMW could have done is a waste of time imo.
    Agree, just think that is down the road. The way a car like the P1 uses its battery power for torque fill is uncanny. Virtually eliminate all turbo lag. It will be a few years before that tech trickles down to less expensive models.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    Personally I wish they kept the high reving V8 for the m3 and then offered an M4 with the same V8 but with FI or called it the m3 GTS or whatever they want to for this generation.
    Spot on, give people a choice. Like Ford with the Boss 302 and GT500. Porsche with the GT3 and Turbo.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
    Spot on, give people a choice. Like Ford with the Boss 302 and GT500. Porsche with the GT3 and Turbo.
    best idea I've heard yet. would lead to some epic battles too.
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    this is kind of like the same debate that happened when the F1X M5/6 came out, with complaints of BMW going TT V8 and ditching the NA V10.

    the new M3/4 is the better car, period. just like the new M5/6 is better. the f1x isn't so "unresponsive" compared to the e6x as everyone assumed it would be, i bet the same is true about the M3/4. really the problem is with the car coming with all of these aids and without that high redline screaming out you and hydraulic steering the car feels soulless. the better driver's car will always be the E9x M3 the same way the better driver's M5/6 will always be the E6x. we don't know yet about the aftermarket, maybe a traitor at BMW will sell the codes to someone.

    maybe the S55 could be the german 2jz Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
    The problem is it has been reported by a couple publications the last 1,500 rpm is thin. Leading one to short shift. Short shifting at ~6,000 rpm pretty much means the 7,600 redline is artificial. And couple that with throttle response that will never be the same as a NA engine. If you plan on using this car only for daily driving, then the S55 should be perfect. As you said it has a lot of low end torque.
    It's like you are reading my mind.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
    the new M3/4 is the better car, period. just like the new M5/6 is better.
    No the aren't.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
    maybe the S55 could be the german 2jz Click here to enlarge
    oh no he didn't! Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    No the aren't.
    all around, yes they are including performance stock for stock
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    oh no he didn't! Click here to enlarge
    oh $#@!!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
    this is kind of like the same debate that happened when the F1X M5/6 came out, with complaints of BMW going TT V8 and ditching the NA V10.
    For me it is much different. Two completely different cars. I don't mind the M5 being FI, that car is purely a street car (freeway missile). The S85 is gone, but definitely not forgotten.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
    maybe the S55 could be the german 2jz Click here to enlarge
    Ha...I laughed.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
    The S85 is gone, but definitely not forgotten.
    well...can't actually say that until 2020 Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    So a V8 sound is a V8 sound. Who cares, if it's slow. Go get a Mustang and it'll sound just as good or better. I bet that the new M3/M4 will put down better lap times than the S65. So what are the purists going to complain about then? The sound? Who cares.
    err I do and I was going to buy an M4/M3... now if I get back for another car it will be a Z06 or E9x with the new TT from Gintani or the E9x with VAC or AA kit or if prices dip an F430..... sound is a lot in my mind
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
    all around, yes they are including performance stock for stock
    Straightline maybe. That doesn't make them better cars. A 991 Turbo isn't a better car than a 997 GT3 RS 4.0.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Straightline maybe. That doesn't make them better cars. A 991 Turbo isn't a better car than a 997 GT3 RS 4.0.
    we'll just have to wait for the track times then
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
    we'll just have to wait for the track times then
    It isn't going to beat the E92 as already stated. The GTS will always win.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It isn't going to beat the E92 as already stated. The GTS will always win.
    you cannot use the GTS as comparison to a stock F80 M3 it doesn't work like that, you compare it to the e90. just like you compare the f82 standard M4 to the E92 standard m3. the f83 m4 to e93 m3. when BMW comes out with a CSL version of the F8x then you can start talking about the GTS
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
    you cannot use the GTS as comparison to a stock F80 M3 it doesn't work like that
    Why not? But it's fair for people to compare a brand new car to a car released in 2008? Doesn't the GTS show how capable the E92 is as a track car? Isn't it a more capable track car than the F80 M3?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
    when BMW comes out with a CSL version of the F8x then you can start talking about the GTS
    Why? Who knows if they will. It doesn't change the E92 M3 with the S65 V8 being the better track weapon.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Straightline maybe. That doesn't make them better cars. A 991 Turbo isn't a better car than a 997 GT3 RS 4.0.
    Oranges and fast oranges laced with vodka argument kid

    I'd still take the 991 Turbo with 6MT
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    I'd take the 911 GT3 RS 4.0.

    The nice thing is Porsche makes the GT3 and the Turbo. BMW decided for us what we get.

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    I'd take a GT3 991 if

    1. Said car had a 6MT
    2. Said car didn't blow up in my said face
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
    I'd take a GT3 991 if

    1. Said car had a 6MT
    2. Said car didn't blow up in my said face
    Hence why a 997 GT3 for me Click here to enlarge

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    Sounds like everything is amazing...except the sound. I counted like a dozen "farts" in that video. First item for the LCI should be a new exhaust.

    He didn't really talk about the responsiveness of the engine either.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    Top Gear said similar things, they love everything about the car, not upset that the engine is now TT, but that rev and surge to redline feeling is gone since boost needs to be tapered down as you approach redline. What I did find interesting is that they mentioned BMW has programmed a factory "anti-lag" between shifts, injecting some extra fuel to keep the car on boost.


    Regardless, this is a small deviation from previous M3s, but since most of us end up modifying them (more than likely adding in FI) anyhow, we really don't have a dog in this "purist" fight.
    Ah good info - that must be the farting - anti-lag. Still, make it sound better...ugh.

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