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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    I just don't get people who complain about the sound of the engine.
    I don't get people who don't:

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    It's a BMW not a Ferrari.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    It's a BMW not a Ferrari.
    So?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    So?
    So a V8 sound is a V8 sound. Who cares, if it's slow. Go get a Mustang and it'll sound just as good or better. I bet that the new M3/M4 will put down better lap times than the S65. So what are the purists going to complain about then? The sound? Who cares.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    So a V8 sound is a V8 sound.
    That's not true at all.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    Go get a Mustang and it'll sound just as good or better.
    See above.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    I bet that the new M3/M4 will put down better lap times than the S65.
    How?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    So what are the purists going to complain about then? The sound? Who cares.
    Everything that was stated in the OP.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    How?
    Do you really think bmw is going to release a new m3/m4 that is slower than the previous version?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    Do you really think bmw is going to release a new m3/m4 that is slower than the previous version?
    It's not beating the M3 GTS on a racetrack.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    I bet that the new M3/M4 will put down better lap times than the S65.
    Why wouldn't it? Has any new M3 been slower than the previous generation.

    We get it, you don't care about how a car feels. You are in the camp that cares about numbers. If it gets better numbers, then surely it must be a better car. This will be a good upgrade for a lot of the Juice Box N54 crowd.

    Like the reviewer (Sutcliffe), I don't like FI either. I prefer a 911 GT3 over a 911 Turbo, I prefer a Boss 302 over a GT500, etc... Different strokes for different folks.

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    That's about the dumbest statement I've heard all day.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It's not beating the M3 GTS on a racetrack.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    That's about the dumbest statement I've heard all day.
    You have no idea what you're talking about.
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    That's like saying "The new Z4 won't beat the Z4 GT3" Of course a production car won't beat a race car. WTF

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    That's like saying "The new Z4 won't beat the Z4 GT3" Of course a production car won't beat a race car. WTF
    You still don't know what you are talking about.

    The M3 GTS is a street legal car just like the M3 CSL. It's built with the racetrack in mind.

    You think a 3500+ pound F80 M3 with less power that will go into limp mode after a lap or two is going to beat a more powerful and lighter M3 with adjustable suspension and downforce? Amusing.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It's not beating the M3 GTS on a racetrack.
    you mean a purpose built race car that happens to be street legal? go figure. you are not comparing apples to apples now. you are comparing apples to gmo apples. probably a bad analogy but you get the point.

    also, I am going to have to assume bmw will make a similar 'gts' model for the new m4.

    people can hate all they want, it's progress, and the stats are all better numbers wise. Numbers sell cars as much as car and driver reviews.
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    Right but again you're comparing a special edition E9x M3 to a normal production model F80 M3. How about you take a normal off the shelf E9x M3 and put it against a normal off the shelf F80 M3. Quit being a fan boy and be realistic here.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    You still don't know what you are talking about.

    The M3 GTS is a street legal car just like the M3 CSL. It's built with the racetrack in mind.

    You think a 3500+ pound F80 M3 with less power that will go into limp mode after a lap or two is going to beat a more powerful and lighter M3 with adjustable suspension and downforce? Amusing.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    you mean a purpose built race car on a race track?
    It's a street car.

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    you are not comparing apples to apples now. you are comparing apples to gmo apples. probably a bad analogy but you get the point.
    I'm comparing the new M3 to the old M3. Sorry BMW built the M3 GTS?

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    people can hate all they want, it's progress, and the stats are all better numbers wise. Numbers sell cars as much as car and driver reviews.
    People are stupid. It's not better because it's faster.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    Right but again you're comparing a special edition E9x M3 to a normal production model F80 M3. How about you take a normal off the shelf E9x M3 and put it against a normal off the shelf F80 M3. Quit being a fan boy and be realistic here.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    Right but again you're comparing a special edition E9x M3 to a normal production model F80 M3. How about you take a normal off the shelf E9x M3 and put it against a normal off the shelf F80 M3. Quit being a fan boy and be realistic here.
    Yes I am so making a blanket statement that the F80 M3 will beat the E9X M3 without taking the entirety of the previous generation's models into account is a fallacy.

    Yes, the standard F80 M3 will beat the E92 M3. That doesn't mean the E92 M3 can't beat the F80 M3 or that the F80 M3 is the better track car. The better track car is the E92 M3.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Yes, the standard F80 M3 will beat the E92 M3.
    That is all that matters my friend. That is all.
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    Sutcliffe is saying the car doesn't benefit from being FI. What he is eluding to is the new chassis could be just as quick with a NA motor and still have the throttle response the M3 is known for.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    That is all that matters my friend. That is all.
    How the new powerplant feels means absolutely nothing?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    That is all that matters my friend. That is all.
    No, it isn't that simple.
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    Somewhat. But "feels" is SO subjective. I like revving out to 8k, sure. I've done it in my last 2 boosted cars. Is it a deal breaker if I'm not getting some "feeling" at 8k no. There must be compromise. You're not going to get the low end torque of the S55 in a naturally aspirated car. So.... If BMW can minimize lag and still keep the 7500 redline reported on the S55. That's a win for me. Obviously not for everyone but for me it is. I passed on the E92 M3 a couple of years ago. I preferred my 335i. I'd actually consider the F82 though.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    Somewhat. But "feels" is SO subjective. I like revving out to 8k, sure. I've done it in my last 2 boosted cars. Is it a deal breaker if I'm not getting some "feeling" at 8k no. There must be compromise. You're not going to get the low end torque of the S55 in a naturally aspirated car. So.... If BMW can minimize lag and still keep the 7500 redline reported on the S55. That's a win for me. Obviously not for everyone but for me it is. I passed on the E92 M3 a couple of years ago. I preferred my 335i. I'd actually consider the F82 though.
    The problem is it has been reported by a couple publications the last 1,500 rpm is thin. Leading one to short shift. Short shifting at ~6,000 rpm pretty much means the 7,600 redline is artificial. And couple that with throttle response that will never be the same as a NA engine. If you plan on using this car only for daily driving, then the S55 should be perfect. As you said it has a lot of low end torque.

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    Somewhat. But "feels" is SO subjective.
    I definitely agree with this. It is very subjective and the S55 is some peoples wet dream.

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    Agree with this. Hopefully BMW is not stretching the truth on the redline. Also, an N/A car will be easier to drive and prob more fun on a road course than a F/I car. Agree. Does that mean that the base model M4 won't beat the base model e92 M3? No. Just for the fan boys that think the S65 will decimate all and is the greatest engine ever built.

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    The problem is it has been reported by a couple publications the last 1,500 rpm is thin. Leading one to short shift. Short shifting at ~6,000 rpm pretty much means the 7,600 redline is artificial. And couple that with throttle response that will never be the same as a NA engine. If you plan using this car only for daily driving, then the S55 should be perfect. As you said it has a lot of low end torque.
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