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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by hakentt Click here to enlarge
    They build the car that weight on purpose. Without any real ground effects that would make the car look silly, manufacturers have to compensate with adding the weight to the car that can do 180mph down the road.
    LOL wut?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    LOL wut?
    What kid of question is that?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by hakentt Click here to enlarge
    What kid of question is that?
    A sarcastic one, due to the nature of your comment. I make the assumption that you truly lack iq. habibi

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by hakentt Click here to enlarge
    What kid of question is that?
    A good one considering your statement?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    A good one considering your statement?
    You can't counter my statement with any facts other than childish wut lol? Toyota and Nissan are known to make light weight cars, why did they make a 3700 pound supra TT and 300ZX TT back in early 90s?
    I am the only one in the world who swapped N55 engine into older lighter chassis that gives me some engineering experience to talk about this.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by hakentt Click here to enlarge
    You can't counter my statement with any facts other than childish wut lol?
    It was so absurd I didn't think a counter of any sort was necessary.

    Since you think a car needs to be heavy to hit 180 miles per hour perhaps look into something called the McLaren F1 and see what speed it hit. Here's a tip, it didn't weigh 3700 pounds.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by hakentt Click here to enlarge
    I am the only one in the world who swapped N55 engine into older lighter chassis that gives me some engineering experience to talk about this.
    Swapping a motor doesn't mean the laws of physics change.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It was so absurd I didn't think a counter of any sort was necessary.

    Since you think a car needs to be heavy to hit 180 miles per hour perhaps look into something called the McLaren F1 and see what speed it hit. Here's a tip, it didn't weigh 3700 pounds.
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    McLaren F1 has superior aerodynamics and downforce sorted out to cope with that kind of speed. It is a super sport car. We are talking about new production of BMW sport cars, you can't have big 4 door soccer mom car that weighs 3000 pounds and do 180mph. Air traveling over top of the car will create a lift at high speeds, to counter this manufacturers must make the car heavier or else you would have very unstable vehicle at very high speeds. This is one of the reasons why NASCAR rule is race car can't be lighter than 3400 lbs, look it up. You don't know anything about engineering, you really think BMW is so stupid that they don't know that they are making heavy boats for a reason?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by hakentt Click here to enlarge
    McLaren F1 has superior aerodynamics and downforce sorted out to cope with that kind of speed.
    So weight has nothing to do with top speed? Thanks.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by hakentt Click here to enlarge
    We are talking about new production of BMW sport cars, you can't have big 4 door soccer mom car that weighs 3000 pounds and do 180mph.
    According to whom?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by hakentt Click here to enlarge
    Air traveling over top of the car will create a lift at high speeds, to counter this manufacturers must make the car heavier or else you would have very unstable vehicle at very high speeds. This is one of the reasons why NASCAR rule is race car can't be lighter than 3400 lbs, look it up. You don't know anything about engineering, you really think BMW is so stupid that they don't know that they are making heavy boats for a reason?
    No offense but I really don't think you understand how terminal velocity works. It is not dependent on weight. At all.

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    So light cars can't be aerodynamic? HMMM lotus esprit?
    Because racecar.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by boostedmaserati Click here to enlarge
    So light cars can't be aerodynamic? HMMM lotus esprit?
    You must weigh 3700 pounds or high speed is not possible.
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    m3 e46 does 180 without a problem
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
    m3 e46 does 180 without a problem
    Only if you add weight to it.
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    i know he gets to 165 so 15mph less but i don't see an unstable car here. the f82 is more aerodynamic than the e46 is it not? i don't see the problem if it was as light..
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    There is noting in the equation governing top speed that requires a set weight.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    There is noting in the equation governing top speed that requires a set weight.
    i just like to stir the pot sometimes
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    I'm not agreeing with him but I think you all missed what he was trying to say.
    I think he was saying these cars have the power to go high speeds, but they are not aerodynamic, so to counter the lift experienced at high speeds they are built heavy.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Nugs Click here to enlarge
    I'm not agreeing with him but I think you all missed what he was trying to say.
    I think he was saying these cars have the power to go high speeds, but they are not aerodynamic, so to counter the lift experienced at high speeds they are built heavy.
    Which is not true.

    NASCAR is also a horrible example - a lot of the regulations are simply to level the playing field, control costs, and have nothing to do with safety or technological limits. Perfect example - pushrod V8s.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Nugs Click here to enlarge
    I'm not agreeing with him but I think you all missed what he was trying to say.
    I think he was saying these cars have the power to go high speeds, but they are not aerodynamic, so to counter the lift experienced at high speeds they are built heavy.
    did you get what i was trying to say? the e46 M3 is lighter and less aerodynamic yet it has no problem holding 165 or 180+ without becoming unstable.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
    did you get what i was trying to say? the e46 M3 is lighter and less aerodynamic yet it has no problem holding 165 or 180+ without becoming unstable.
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Nugs Click here to enlarge
    I'm not agreeing with him but I think you all missed what he was trying to say.
    I think he was saying these cars have the power to go high speeds, but they are not aerodynamic, so to counter the lift experienced at high speeds they are built heavy.

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    How does a 911 GT2 hit 200 weighing nowhere near 3700 pounds?
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    Seriously?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Nugs Click here to enlarge
    Seriously?
    I'm quite curious.
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    By using a motor to turn the wheels.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Nugs Click here to enlarge
    By using a motor to turn the wheels.
    Ah. Makes sense.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Nugs Click here to enlarge
    I'm not agreeing with him but I think you all missed what he was trying to say.
    I think he was saying these cars have the power to go high speeds, but they are not aerodynamic, so to counter the lift experienced at high speeds they are built heavy.
    what he is saying that these cars are not aerodynamic enough to be lightweight and hold high speeds of 180+ stably, because of the lift.
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by hakentt Click here to enlarge
    McLaren F1 has superior aerodynamics and downforce sorted out to cope with that kind of speed. It is a super sport car. We are talking about new production of BMW sport cars, you can't have big 4 door soccer mom car that weighs 3000 pounds and do 180mph. Air traveling over top of the car will create a lift at high speeds, to counter this manufacturers must make the car heavier or else you would have very unstable vehicle at very high speeds.
    tell me please how the lighter and less aerodynamic E46 M3 is able to hold that kind of speed with no problem but the F82 HAS to be heavy? i understand you aren't agreeing with him but you seem to think we are misunderstanding what he's trying to say, we aren't.
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