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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
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    ....Never said I was pro-F30. Personally I'm even less pro-F30 (and BMW if they're gonna keep up this software "war" against owners trying to modifying their cars) if means dumping $10k into it on a standalone EMS & render every factory feature useless to modify it.

    I can understand that BMW's concern (from a business perspective) is now that 99% of their cars are turbocharged from the factory, they don't want owners "messing" with their product and then attempting to get any failures/broken parts covered under warranty, aka on BMW's dime.
    I just don't see the point of suggestion F30 owners should go buy a used decade plus old 2 seat Porsche as a tuning solution for a 3-Series. It's like someone asking for ketchup on their hamburger and instead they get handed yesterday's burrito.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    I just don't see the point of suggestion F30 owners should go buy a used decade plus old 2 seat Porsche as a tuning solution for a 3-Series. It's like someone asking for ketchup on their hamburger and instead they get handed yesterday's burrito.
    Alright, so if you want to buy & modify a brand new German automobile, Audi & Mercedes are clearly much better options since they are much more aftermarket friendly.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
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    Alright, so if you want to buy & modify a brand new German automobile, Audi & Mercedes are clearly much better options since they are much more aftermarket friendly.
    That makes more sense.

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    maybe I missed it, but is it mentioned anywhere what turbo setup this car is actually running?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by curare Click here to enlarge
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    maybe I missed it, but is it mentioned anywhere what turbo setup this car is actually running?
    I don't think the specific model of the turbocharger is mentioned.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    I don't think the specific model of the turbocharger is mentioned.
    Well 600 WHP+ has been done on the N54 on a kill setup with a Precision 5862, which moves 64 lb/min. So a comparable Borg Warner is the EFR 7670.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by curare Click here to enlarge
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    maybe I missed it, but is it mentioned anywhere what turbo setup this car is actually running?
    IN the original link I posted in the other thread, link, all he states is that is a Borg Warner EFR Turbo with external gates (Twin scroll).

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    This has been the case for years with Toyota ECUs.

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    Eventually? In the case of the IS-F...never.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
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    This has been the case for years with Toyota ECUs.
    Why is that? How are they keeping people out?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    Why is that? How are they keeping people out?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
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    This has been the case for years with Toyota ECUs.
    I know Bully Dog just recently cracked the Toyota truck ECUs.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
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    I know Bully Dog just recently cracked the Toyota truck ECUs.
    For the Tundra?

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    It's why all the supra guys run stand alones.
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    The Supra was cracked forever ago though.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
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    It's why all the supra guys run stand alones.
    Most of the modern Supra guys run standalone for the features they can't tune on the stock DME, specifically FlexFuel, Anti-Lag/2-Step Launch & Traction Control.

    Single Map Tuning & Boost Controllers are nice and completely capable of doing the job reliable, but it's certainly not as safe (nor will it truly showcase your setups' potential) as any of the current standalone options -- ProEFI, AEM Infinity, Syvecs, etc.

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    As far as I know the oem supra ecu is not flashable.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
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    As far as I know the oem supra ecu is not flashable.
    How the hell is that possible?

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    For the Tundra?
    Yup. Tundra, Tacoma, Sequoia, 4Runner

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    It's about time. Really.

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    Yup. Tundra, Tacoma, Sequoia, 4Runner
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
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    Alright, so if you want to buy & modify a brand new German automobile, Audi & Mercedes are clearly much better options since they are much more aftermarket friendly.
    Ehhhh. Disagree. Audi is actually flagging cars w tunes. They have service bulletin about it. I forget the number.

    Also. I think Audi's are $#@! quality based on my experience and those of my family and friends.

    No experience w Mercedes.

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    It's at BMW's request. Siemens doesn't provide all the software BMW programs it.
    As it was explained to me by people who know, Siemens offers the encryption level to all OEM with whom they deal. BMW elects to take it. It is software, but also requires certain hardware which Siemens supplies. Once th encryption is on board of the DME, it makes no sense for an OEM not to use it.

    For BMW, it has been there since late spring of 2012. 2014 had nothing to do with it.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by maxnix Click here to enlarge
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    As it was explained to me by people who know, Siemens offers the encryption level to all OEM with whom they deal. BMW elects to take it. It is software, but also requires certain hardware which Siemens supplies. Once th encryption is on board of the DME, it makes no sense for an OEM not to use it.

    For BMW, it has been there since late spring of 2012. 2014 had nothing to do with it.
    Yeah, the 3.0T (and almost certainly others) has had problems for years with people just not understanding that if you flash it and bring it in for service, it gets hooked up to a diagnostic computer which looks at code somewhere and can tell if the car is flashed. If it's flashed, that diagnostic computer immediately sends a report to Audi HQ in Germany and they flag the entire powertrain "TD1"- tune detected- and your powertrain warranty is toast.

    All this wouldn't be such a problem if people understood to flash back to completely stock (not stock maps with tune installed) before service and if APR and GIAC would offer flash-at-home handhelds like Cobb. But since they dont, and there's no usable piggyback offering, Audi owners are in the cold. Stage one tunes are $1200+, additional maps cost $$$ and most flash tune installers charge $ to flash back to stock. It's the dark ages. A pretty large number just seem to wait until the warranty is up before tuning which is crap. They desperately need JB4 love @Terry@BMS or Cobb both both seem to have zero interest in anything VAG.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BavarianBullet Click here to enlarge
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    All this wouldn't be such a problem if people understood to flash back to completely stock (not stock maps with tune installed) before service and if APR and GIAC would offer flash-at-home handhelds like Cobb. But since they dont, and there's no usable piggyback offering, Audi owners are in the cold. Stage one tunes are $1200+, additional maps cost $$$ and most flash tune installers charge $ to flash back to stock. It's the dark ages. A pretty large number just seem to wait until the warranty is up before tuning which is crap. They desperately need JB4 love @Terry@BMS or Cobb both both seem to have zero interest in anything VAG.
    Pretty sure this is a little off..... Not sure about APR, but I know EVOMS + GIAC both offer "at home tuning solutions" via a computer module and OBD cable (exactly like how people load E9x m3 tunes). Obviously it's no where as convenient as the COBB AP/OBD cables, but it's still significantly more convenient then having to see your tuner everytime you want to go back and forth.

    But like you started with, the real root problem is most of the people don't bother to fully install their tune before bringing the car for service while still under the original factory warranty.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BavarianBullet Click here to enlarge
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    Yeah, the 3.0T (and almost certainly others) has had problems for years with people just not understanding that if you flash it and bring it in for service, it gets hooked up to a diagnostic computer which looks at code somewhere and can tell if the car is flashed. If it's flashed, that diagnostic computer immediately sends a report to Audi HQ in Germany and they flag the entire powertrain "TD1"- tune detected- and your powertrain warranty is toast.

    All this wouldn't be such a problem if people understood to flash back to completely stock (not stock maps with tune installed) before service and if APR and GIAC would offer flash-at-home handhelds like Cobb. But since they dont, and there's no usable piggyback offering, Audi owners are in the cold. Stage one tunes are $1200+, additional maps cost $$$ and most flash tune installers charge $ to flash back to stock. It's the dark ages. A pretty large number just seem to wait until the warranty is up before tuning which is crap. They desperately need JB4 love @Terry@BMS or Cobb both both seem to have zero interest in anything VAG.
    The TD1 works in reverse, the ECU keeps date stamps of the changes that are non dealer. This goes online to Germany and it comes back TD1. On the slightly older scars you could do a full write to the car via BDM on the bench and you would be safe. Current cars that I know have all been caught.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
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    Pretty sure this is a little off..... Not sure about APR, but I know EVOMS + GIAC both offer "at home tuning solutions" via a computer module and OBD cable (exactly like how people load E9x m3 tunes). Obviously it's no where as convenient as the COBB AP/OBD cables, but it's still significantly more convenient then having to see your tuner everytime you want to go back and forth.

    But like you started with, the real root problem is most of the people don't bother to fully install their tune before bringing the car for service while still under the original factory warranty.
    I never heard of EVOMS but their website showed a bench flash for the 3.0T. GIAC has a handheld map switcher but that just changes maps AFAIK and you need their flash code on the ECU for it to work. Like APR and others, I believe GIAC needs to flash the entire ECU back to a stock file for you to go through service without being detected.

    These modern ECUs are a bear. The newer N63 or S63 supposedly has twin ECUs. WTF?!
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