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    The new sound of Formula 1....FAIL

    Here's a video I found posted yesterday on youtube comparing the sound you would hear at an F1 race this year compared to last year. Disappointing to say the least.

    I'm ready to go back to the old motors, anyone else?

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    sounds quiet and refined, just like F1 cars should sound like Click here to enlarge
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    Just take notice how everyone in 2013 is wearing ear protective gear. No one in the 2014 video is wearing such protective gear.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    Just take notice how everyone in 2013 is wearing ear protective gear. No one in the 2014 video is wearing such protective gear.

    My brother said all the crowd were whining about the new sound as in they did NOT LIKE it
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    Its a travesty. This is like taking sex, but everyone must keep their clothes on, no shaved vaginas, always have to wear a condom and nobody is allowed to make sounds or butt sex.

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    Volume seems to be different in the two scenes.

    The announcers voice is quieter in the second than the first.

    Might sound better volume equalized.

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    wow!! Good video showing the difference. That is just horrible omg.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by yage202 Click here to enlarge
    Volume seems to be different in the two scenes.

    The announcers voice is quieter in the second than the first.

    Might sound better volume equalized.
    Here's another one. In car.

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    It's nowhere near as exciting. When I heard an F1 car zip by me in Prague it was incredible. This just does not have the same impact.
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    ^^^ not at all...unfortunately I never made it to a race, and I can't say I'd be too excited to go now, I really only wanted to go to hear the cars, honestly they are pretty boring just to watch
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    They better do something about that engine sound ASAP.

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    Actually the sound starts to grow on me.
    I can hardly believe I'm saying this, but sound in this sport is not all that important.
    Ron Dennis actually has some valid points here about the sound issue.



    And as he says, there's not gonna be a solution for it this year.
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    I'm stopped listening once he started talking about carbon footprint
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    I'm stopped listening once he started talking about carbon footprint
    Maybe you should listen some more. He was actually talking about responsability of the sport.
    Ron Dennis, as sporting director of Mc Laren, is very knowledgable about the politics and technique in F1.
    He is very outspoken and worth listening to.
    And in this interview he's saying some very true things about people's motives to their reactions.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    Maybe you should listen some more. He was actually talking about responsability of the sport.
    Ron Dennis, as sporting director of Mc Laren, is very knowledgable about the politics and technique in F1.
    He is very outspoken and worth listening to.
    And in this interview he's saying some very true things about people's motives to their reactions.
    Right...so he's making excuses for the sound, and talking about carbon footprint...again two things I really don't give $#@! about. If you think F1 is helping the environment by being just a little more efficient you are as retarded as Al Gore. F1 is and should be about pure performance, not fuel efficiency, if this is the road F1 decides to go down, then it's only a matter of time till a better series of racing comes about. I really hope F1 changes the rules next year and does something this year yet to improve the racing. Keep the engines for this year, fine, but but lets not be so skimp on the fuel...that's just ridiculous.

    I listened to enough to know that is the basis of what he thinks. In other words, he's a liberal nutjob snob that's been around F1 so long he thinks he is the sport. I'm sorry, but I don't see how this guy loves motorsports any more than me or many others on this forum just cause he's been around F1 for 48 years.

    That's like saying Barack Obama has been in politics longer than me so he respects the Oval Office more than I do...REALLY?



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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    Right...so he's making excuses for the sound, and talking about carbon footprint...again two things I really don't give $#@! about
    He's not makin excuses for the sound at al. He states you get the $#@! on with your life and get used to it.
    The carbon footprint was a hint to the responsibility of F1 as a global sport (truly global, like all around the world. Not like, we alre the only country playing this sport, so let's call it World series).

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    F1 is and should be about pure performance, not fuel efficiency
    These new engines are faster, more torque and more fun to drive according to the drivers

    if this is the road F1 decides to go down, then it's only a matter of time till a better series of racing comes about.
    Engine manufacturers Renault and Mercedes threated Formula One to leave if the engines were not more related to the engines they need for development. The manufacturers also self set the 100L/hour fuel limit to reduce the power made by the engine.
    Not the FIA.

    The 2.4L V8 was not going anywhere anymore.
    Development had stopped 2 years ago and the only thing challenging about it was to restrict the amount of engines used per year. Did you ever pay attention the last 2 seasons AT ALL??



    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    . I really hope F1 changes the rules next year and does something this year yet to improve the racing
    Improve racing???
    Have you watched a single race last year? I bet not.
    Have you watched any of the last 4 races?
    I honestly can not believe how you can say such a strange and unfunded thing after the last race in Bahrain, where there was more close racing than any race in at least 3 years.



    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    I listened to enough to know that is the basis of what he thinks
    So your span of attention is <8 minutes clearly.
    And you come with a clip of Luca Di Montezemolo responding to the disqualification of Ricciardo at Melbourne, and the remarks of Vettel after his engine blew. Strange.
    And you managed to sling both your 2 least favorite people into your response (who both have absolutely nothing to do with the matter). You must feel really good.

    The true issue here is, how is a F1 engine supposed to sound?
    In the 80s that was either a V8 or a turbo engine, which were both quite loud I can tell you first hand.
    In the early 90s that was a V8, V10 or V12, all loud, but with different pitching.
    From 1996 they were V10s, whichadmit sounded awesome, especially when they reached 19000 rpm in 2005.
    Were you on the barricades when they were banned in 2006 and replaced by the V8s?
    A lot of people were complaining then, too.
    Were you on the barricades when the rpm was restricted from 19000 to 18000 in 2009?
    A lot of people were.

    And that brings us to the present.
    Why are you complaining now when this new engine pack has until now brought us nothing but good racing?
    An F1 engine sounds like an F1 engine due to regulations. There is nothing artificial about it, nor should there be.
    It is not a road car with speakers.
    It is all about performance.
    Yes, the precharged turbo muffles the exhaust tune. Get over it.
    The engines are much more torque, giving much more spectacle.
    So the on board flow restrictions are difficult to comprehend for the public, Luca stated. Really?
    They are shown in clear graphs during the race, and yes, they are monitored by the FIA.
    Everybody complies to these rules. They were unanimously accepted at the beginning of the season by every team.
    Fuel limits were in formula 1 all along. The V8's had a 160kg limit when refueling was banned, these cars have a 100kg limit.
    And they are coping quite well.
    No more fuel saving laps, unable to attack due to the amount of fuel onboard. That all has gone. How can you be against that?



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    “As Earth’s atmosphere warms alarmingly and fills with heat-trapping gases, and the writing on the wall – “People, we’re in trouble!” – looms ever larger, Formula One has steadily become a guilty pleasure, the motorsport equivalent of blue whale burger or wearing panda fur.
    All that precious fuel going up in smoke, speed, and outrageous noise. Unsustainable and increasingly unjustifiable. So F1 deserves a pat on the back for now doing its little bit for the planet. Let’s not kid ourselves: Strapping drivers into combustion engines can never be a “green” sport.

    Polar bears on retreating ice sheets shouldn’t dance with joy -”We’re saved!” – simply because F1 downgraded this season from monster 2.4-liter, V8 engines to somewhat less viciously thirsty 1.6-liter, V6 turbo hybrid engines. But it is something. More than that, it recognizes that if we are to have much of a collective future, then everyone must make and accept compromises, eke out and protect resources and learn to do more with less. To cover a meager 190 miles, the length of all F1 races except the shorter Monaco Grand Prix, the V8s guzzled around 50 gallons of fuel – sometimes a bit more, sometimes less, depending on the track and conditions.

    That was just on race day. Now add practice and qualifying sessions, and multiply all this by 19 races a season, for a truly staggering fuel bill. In the real world, a midsize Toyota Prius hybrid might cover about 2,500 miles on those same 50 gallons, almost enough to cross the United States from Washington DC to Los Angeles, according to fuel economy figures for that model from the U.S. government’s Environmental Protection Agency. F1 wouldn’t be F1 without excess.

    Fans worldwide wouldn’t tune in for World Champion Sebastian Vettel driving a Prius. F1 boss Bernie Ecclestone got fabulously rich with the sales pitch of bigger, faster, costlier, noisier equals vroooom. “Rush,” director Ron Howard’s glorification of 1976 world champion James Hunt has the notorious bad boy of F1 mouth-rinsing with champagne and puffing on an illegal-looking cigarette before races in his early Formula Three days. Swap the risk and glamour of F1 for quiet-as-a-mouse electric engines and showers of dandelion tea on the podium and you can be sure that petrol-heads would walk away. But as road cars become more fuel efficient, with electric and hybrid-engine technology making increasing inroads, F1 needed to reconnect with its time or risk becoming an anachronism, racing on regardless the costs to the environment. This season’s switch to fantastically complex hybrid engines puts F1 back ahead of the technological curve.

    That is exactly where the sport must be to retain fans and stay relevant in today’s energy-challenged world. The engines still generate most of their power from burning fuel but also recuperate and reuse far more energy from braking and exhaust gases than the previous V8 cars and their KERS energy-recovery systems. New rules slash by about one-third the amount of fuel that teams use in the cars and also limit the rate at which they burn it. Again, that doesn’t make them anywhere near green. The 100-kilogram-per-race allotment of fuel would still get a Prius from Paris to Moscow. But at least F1 can now argue that it is going in the right direction. If improvements in fuel economy, engine technology, energy recovery and hybrid-power know-how also bleed over into future road cars, F1 will be able to stick that feather in its cap, too.

    Critics who loved the fiery crackle of throaty V8s complain that the new engines are too quiet. But that nostalgia over-plays the supposed link between engine noise and the appeal of F1. The V6s certainly sound different, with a top-end squeal like a dentist’s drill. That will take getting used to. Ultimately, however, what makes F1 watchable – or not – isn’t noise but the quality and closeness of the racing. V8 races may have been loud. But many of them were boring, too. Also misleading is the argument that F1 drivers shouldn’t need to economize fuel or tires and instead should be able to race flat-out from first lap to last. Ferrari President Luca di Montezemolo is in this camp – itself a good indicator of how poorly his team has adapted to the new regime.

    But not every race needs non-stop wheel-to-wheel action to be interesting. In fact, you’d be naive and sorely disappointed if you expect that. The unfolding chess game during races of teams balancing the need for speed with the need to make tires and fuel last, the strategies they employ and adapt to squeeze the most out of those resources, make F1 a more cerebral sport. Fuel economy isn’t beside the point – for F1 or for any of us. It is the point. It must be.
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    Like any other treehugger David you'd rather deviate from the point I made and try to berate me for not knowing the ins and outs of F1 or attempt to make me feel bad for not feeling sympathy for our planet and the carbon footprint.

    Global sport? Yeah...no $#@! it's global...when did I ever say otherwise? Just like every other leftwing nutjob you want to put words into someone's mouth to make yourself sound better and strengthen your argument. So F1 should lessen it's carbon footprint to set an example to others about mother earth and the attempt to lessen the effects of a theoretical global warming? Are you sure you're DavidV or Al Gore? I think I'll go buy a catless exhaust system for my truck now just because you've motivated me to do so. After all, Formula 1 is saving more fuel then I'd be using anyway. haha

    I am clearly entitled to my opinion on the new sound of the engines. You can't tell me I'm wrong for that. I wasn't aware the fuel limitation came from the race teams and not the FIA, not sure I believe that TBH, but it doesn't really matter who made the decision, us fans certainly did NOT, therefore it would be better racing IMO if the teams didn't have to worry about fuel consumption, it's unsettling to hear a over the radio "we're out of fuel so you'll have to take it a bit easy to finish" seriously?
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    Dude, I didn't call you names, and I don't like it if you call me names.
    And calling me a treeghugger and leftwing nutjob is offensive.
    I will negrep you for that.

    I'm not sure why you call yourself a "fan of the sport". You seem to know nothing about it at all.
    Don't try to pull politics into this. It has nothing to do with US politics at all.
    In fact, almost the opposite.
    Nowhere in this was the USA involved at all. Your country does not play any role in this sport, you have no teams, and 99.5% of all USA citicens have 0 knowledge of this sport. You're no exception at all.

    Sure you're entitled to your opinion, I was not denying you your opinion at all.
    I was trying to explain why these decisions were made.


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    therefore it would be better racing IMO if the teams didn't have to worry about fuel consumption, it's unsettling to hear a over the radio "we're out of fuel so you'll have to take it a bit easy to finish" seriously
    That's one thing what I was trying to explain to you, with the V8 engines this happened all the time. Teams were hoping on a safetycar situation so they could battle to the finish after that.
    You are so clueless to this sport you just better stop posting anything other than your opinion at this point.
    You just do not know your facts.
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    Well I don't know the facts either. But I've been to 3 F1 races - 2 at Indy and COTA last year. Every year it's more expensive. I think last year with tickets, travel, and my 500/night crappy Day's Inn I was in for almost 4 grand. Every year I have a moment right after purchasing everything of regret. Then, you fight brutal, road rage type traffic to get near the venue to try and find parking. Thinking what the hell am I doing. Well that all ends when you hear a NA F1 car fire up. Even at idle they sound bad ass. But when they rip by at 18K - nothing sounds better IMO and it makes me happy I spent the money. I am going this year as well to check it out for myself, and if it is as bad as they say I will never go to a race again. Too me the live F1 experience is all about the sound. You cant see much of the racing anyway. Hell I go to St Pete and watch Indy cars for 30 bucks. (Which also sound like $#@! since they went turbo) I will however be a lifetime fan and will watch every race on TV like a do now. My 2 cents.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Surquhar Click here to enlarge
    Well I don't know the facts either. But I've been to 3 F1 races - 2 at Indy and COTA last year. Every year it's more expensive. I think last year with tickets, travel, and my 500/night crappy Day's Inn I was in for almost 4 grand. Every year I have a moment right after purchasing everything of regret. Then, you fight brutal, road rage type traffic to get near the venue to try and find parking. Thinking what the hell am I doing. Well that all ends when you hear a NA F1 car fire up. Even at idle they sound bad ass. But when they rip by at 18K - nothing sounds better IMO and it makes me happy I spent the money. I am going this year as well to check it out for myself, and if it is as bad as they say I will never go to a race again. Too me the live F1 experience is all about the sound. You cant see much of the racing anyway. Hell I go to St Pete and watch Indy cars for 30 bucks. (Which also sound like $#@! since they went turbo) I will however be a lifetime fan and will watch every race on TV like a do now. My 2 cents.
    I went to the Budapest Grand Prix something like 10 years ago and I paid through the nose for tickets and I didn't even have seats in the grandstands. I was just allowed onto some grassy area to watch the cars which I could hear but barely see considering everyone was standing. The taxi drivers all tripled their rates, food was insanely priced, and overall I don't think I'll ever go to Hungary again as going to a country just to get fleeced is idiotic. I'll stay home. It wasn't fun.
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