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    2014 F22 M235i test figures including curb weight, 0-60, 1/4 mile, skidpad, and weight distribution - Inferior to the E82 1M

    Finally some solid independent data on the new 2014 F22 M235i. This car is an unofficial successor to the E82 1M taking its place in the lineup as the entry level turbocharged six-cylinder performance coupe. Unlike the 1M the M235i has the N55 inline-6 turbo motor and not the N54 inline-6 twin turbo motor. It also comes in a bit heavier than the E82 1M with a curb weight of 3494 pounds versus the E82 1M which weighs 3339 pounds.

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    The F22 2-Series is not exactly as light as one would hope for the size. It is about 3-Series weight which makes one scratch their head as to the advantage over the 335i. That said, handling numbers are about on par with the 1M as the car pulls an impressive .97g on the skidpad and the 1M managed a .98g.

    Weight distribution is shying away from BMW's famed 50/50 with a 53/47 front to back. That is not what a BMW's weight distribution is supposed to look like and the turbocharged motors are making BMW's nose heavy. The 1M managed a better 51/49 which is closer to BMW's own stated ideals. 53/47? That looks more like an Audi figure than BMW.

    The M235i is not available with a dual clutch transmission unfortunately. A manual or 8-speed automatic is available and MotorTrend tested this car with the automatic. 0-60 comes in 4.4 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 13.0 @ 106.6. Also slightly worse than the 1M which managed 0-60 in 4.2 and the 1/4 mile in 12.8 @ 109.6 although different ECU software alone could change this. Still, the M235i is slower stock for stock.

    Essentially, the F22 2-Series and the M235i in particular seem to be a bit of a step back at least in performance from the E82 1-Sereis and the BMW 1M. Looks like there is room for BMW to squeeze in an M2 model afterall.

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    VEHICLE LAYOUT Front-engine, RWD, 4-pass, 2-door coupe
    ENGINE 3.0L/320-hp/330-lb-ft turbo DOHC 24-valve I-6
    TRANSMISSION 8-speed automatic
    CURB WEIGHT (F/R DIST) 3494 lb (53/47%)
    WHEELBASE 105.9 in
    LENGTH x WIDTH x HEIGHT 174.5 x 69.8 x 55.2 in
    0-60 MPH 4.4 sec
    QUARTER MILE 13.0 sec @ 106.6 mph
    BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 103 ft
    LATERAL ACCELERATION 0.97 g (avg)
    MT FIGURE EIGHT 24.9 sec @ 0.78 g (avg)
    EPA CITY/HWY/COMB FUEL ECON 22/32/25 mpg
    ENERGY CONS., CITY/HWY 153/105 kW-hrs/100 miles
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    Im still perplexed about the m2....there just doesn't seem like there is any room for it. The m235 is a great car and will bring a lot of enthusiasts to the BMW scene
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    Im still perplexed about the m2....there just doesn't seem like there is any room for it. The m235 is a great car and will bring a lot of enthusiasts to the BMW scene
    Well, with the M235i being slower than the 1M it looks like what they would do to make an M2 is give the M235i some more aggressive software, lighten it, and get it about to E92 M3 levels acceleration wise. That would keep it below the F82/F80 M4/M3 and be enough to compete with the CLA45 AMG and RS5/TT-RS.

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    True, but unfortunately for BMW, that means a tuned m235 might be faster since bmw's performance software seems pretty conservative. I think they made a mistake with the m235 by making it too good.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    True, but unfortunately for BMW, that means a tuned m235 might be faster since bmw's performance software seems pretty conservative. I think they made a mistake with the m235 by making it too good.
    I'm not sure what you mean. The M235i is too good how? It's worse than the 1M.

    Of course software will change things. It does so for the 335i already so why would it be any different?

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    To good because it will cost much less than the m2 and with a tune be close to or faster.
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    I don't agree with BMW putting the same engine in a m2 and just changing the software. The 135 and 1m had a bigger gap in looks, performance, and m goodies (LSD)
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    To good because it will cost much less than the m2 and with a tune be close to or faster.
    Why wasn't this a problem with the 135i and 1M?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    I don't agree with BMW putting the same engine in a m2 and just changing the software. The 135 and 1m had a bigger gap in looks, performance, and m goodies (LSD)
    BMW put the same engine in the 1M as the 135i and all they did was change the software, add some M3 bits, and give it a body kit.

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    I don't understand the purpose of this car at all.

    Actually, I don't understand anything BMW has done from a branding standpoint over the last couple years. Is it their goal to have multiple cars occupy every single market niche and segment on earth? If so, I will not be getting a 3rd one when the time comes.

    This car is an exercise in uselessness, straight up.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 135pats Click here to enlarge
    Is it their goal to have multiple cars occupy every single market niche and segment on earth?
    Yes. Let's be happy there isn't an M235i GT.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Why wasn't this a problem with the 135i and 1M?
    The big difference was a limited production as well as cost. I heard the m2 will be 60k, that's to much IMO.
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    ^60K i'll take a gently used late MY S65 and put a blower on it. Could single turbo an N54, get in an S85, hell could get in a used 997TT for that money.

    That's a joke if that is the base price they're asking.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    The big difference was a limited production as well as cost. I heard the m2 will be 60k, that's to much IMO.
    1M's often were marked up to that so $60k is something the market will bear if the M3/M4 cost 75-80 out the door. I mean my M3 was $73k or so.

    I think the M2 can be squeezed in I just would do it differently than BMW.

    And this curb weight sucks for a 2-Series.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    I don't agree with BMW putting the same engine in a m2 and just changing the software. The 135 and 1m had a bigger gap in looks, performance, and m goodies (LSD)
    The M2 would get a wider body, wider track, carbon roof, lsd, quad exhaust, etc. and share the N55.

    Basically the same exact recipe for the 1M vs 135i. What is the difference?

    Rumors are the M2 will be limited quanity as well.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
    The M2 would get a wider body, wider track, carbon roof, lsd, quad exhaust, etc. and share the N55.

    Basically the same exact recipe for the 1M vs 135i. What is the difference?

    Rumors are the M2 will be limited quanity as well.
    There would be no difference. Same thing but with an N55.

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    I'm so sick of hearing about N54 and N55 in every damn BMW.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SexiPYm3 Click here to enlarge
    I'm so sick of hearing about N54 and N55 in every damn BMW.
    Yep pretty boring. Would be so cool for them to get in on the four-cylinder war between Audi and Mercedes. I mean it's stuff that like that which shows who is the best engine builder. BMW used to be the best...

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    this car is a stinky pile of dog $#@! and if i ever see one at my bmw dealer i will egg the $#@! out of it

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    this car is a stinky pile of dog $#@! and if i ever see one at my bmw dealer i will egg the $#@! out of it
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    Curb weight loaded with my ass in it and a load of fuel will be almost as much as my 99 540i... bad JOKE for a MODERN performance CAR
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    Yep pretty boring. Would be so cool for them to get in on the four-cylinder war between Audi and Mercedes. I mean it's stuff that like that which shows who is the best engine builder. BMW used to be the best...
    Please no, I spent the weekend in our shop's CLA 45 (~10 hour road trip and two track days) and I just test drove the M235i an hour ago. It's tough to say which car feels more powerful because I drove the M235i full of four people and the CLA had tons of luggage, jacks, tools, etc. in it but the M235i's motor is definitely better. I don't think the software in the M235i is the same as the power kit, it feels so much more responsive than any N55 I've driven. Almost doesn't feel turbocharged and it doesn't seem to run out of breath up top as badly as N55s typically do. It just pulls hard from any RPM and it sounds so great. The CLA 45 is much, much more laggy and its top end feels pretty soft compared to its extremely powerful midrange.

    Also, the CLA has a low redline and revs pretty freely so you need to be paying attention to avoid banging into the rev limiter, it slows you down for what feels like an eternity before it finally listens to your repeated requests for an upshift. M235i's auto has much better programming. I actually stopped using the CLA's paddles because there is a delay programmed into their response, that car is at its best with the transmission in S mode. It's actually very aggressive and keeps the revs way up high.

    When it comes to handling there is simply no comparison, the M235i was designed around the Pilot Super Sport which is one of my favorite tires and it just runs circles around the CLA, the BMW feels alive in your hands while the CLA just feels like any other small Benz. You can always tell the CLA is primarily front wheel drive, you get a fair amount of front wheel slip before it sends any torque to the rear and it actually torque steers a little.

    I'm pretty much rambling at this point, the CLA is a great, great car and it's ridiculously quick off the line but it doesn't make me want to own it. I NEED an M235i in my life.

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    I'm ok with it...leaves room for an M2 which really needs to happen. Just think...take the M4 and scale it down...that would be a great car. A friend drove an M235i the other day...he said the steering was not nearly as nice as an M5 (no comp pack) he drove right after. It's fast and capable but not too engaging. So I really think they are leaving room for an M2. Remember, this isn't an all out M car. The weight does suck though.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
    I'm pretty much rambling at this point, the CLA is a great, great car and it's ridiculously quick off the line but it doesn't make me want to own it. I NEED an M235i in my life.
    thanks for that. can you also tell us your experience as to which feels bigger to sit in, the 1 series vs. m235i?
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