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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by THATDONFC Click here to enlarge
    I see an integrated A2W intake manifold with supplemental port injection.
    Thats a great vision, haha. Did you get a phone call today from someone I referred to you by chance?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by klipseracer Click here to enlarge
    Thats a great vision, haha. Did you get a phone call today from someone I referred to you by chance?
    Maybe one day it will become more than just a vision.

    I'm not sure about the call. I wasn't at the shop today.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by R.G. Click here to enlarge
    Look to the West Klips I'm right next to ya. Well North West anyway. It's already 90 degrees out here, should be a fun summer.
    If you're in vegas its still not as hot. According to weather.com there wasn't a day this month it was warmer there and was warmer here by as much as 14*+

    Nothing to brag about but by north west thats what I assume.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by THATDONFC Click here to enlarge
    Maybe one day it will become more than just a vision.

    I'm not sure about the call. I wasn't at the shop today.
    Would this be an aluminum manifold? I think you'd get quite a bit of interest even if it wasn't cast.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by klipseracer Click here to enlarge
    If you're in vegas its still not as hot. According to weather.com there wasn't a day this month it was warmer there and was warmer here by as much as 14*+

    Nothing to brag about but by north west thats what I assume.


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    How is that tropical rain forest you live in Klips? Click here to enlarge
    It's on the internet so it must be true.


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    Heres an incredibly scientific test that if I'm not mistaken was conducted at MIT








    Edit: Wait, no, I'm now being told that it was done by a guy in his garage for a civic.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by R.G. Click here to enlarge
    Heres an incredibly scientific test that if I'm not mistaken was conducted at MIT



    Edit: Wait, no, I'm now being told that it was done by a guy in his garage for a civic.
    But it was on the internet!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mekong84 Click here to enlarge
    That will provide some evaporative cooling in dry climates like AZ or similar but when ambient humidity is >70% (every day in SoFla during the summer) you're just wasting water. It doesn't even have to be >70%; really any humid condition will limit how much water can evaporate. But for your AZ summer kids, DOIT.
    It's usually dry and hot here, sounds like it could be worth investigating

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Nugs Click here to enlarge
    It's usually dry and hot here, sounds like it could be worth investigating
    Might as well mist the radiator and oil cooler...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Nugs Click here to enlarge
    It's usually dry and hot here, sounds like it could be worth investigating
    I'd love to see the numbers. Oil cooler is not a bad idea either; not sure what typical intake air temps usually run but oil temps are consistently above boiling so the water would evaporate immediately. Either way there are a bunch of variables and for dry climate areas I think it could be worth someone giving it a shot and seeing what the numbers say.

    Also, just kinda want to take into consideration the heat cycles you'll put on the hardware by misting water on it. intercooler will probably be ok since the temps are much lower but with the high oil temps you could run into large temperature deltas causing premature cracking in the material. Just some food for thought. They're made to take the heat cycles but I'm just saying there will be much more of them and they will occur much faster with water being sprayed.
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    I really want to do this. Who's with me?

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    This is what I see.

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    I'd make it a single inlet, as most spending the kind of $$$ for this will have a single turbo kit as well.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by THATDONFC Click here to enlarge
    This is what I see.

    I can't show you the rest. Click here to enlarge
    I think there's a market for it...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jyamona Click here to enlarge
    I'd make it a single inlet, as most spending the kind of $$$ for this will have a single turbo kit as well.
    Yeah that's easier to make than a dual inlet anyways. Plus, a two into one charge pipe can always be made if someone is running the twin setup.

    It's the outlet piping that is the tricky part.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I think there's a market for it...
    If I can get my hands on a car for a day I can have a prototype ready in a week.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by THATDONFC Click here to enlarge
    If I can get my hands on a car for a day I can have a prototype ready in a week.
    If someone is willing...

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    I absolutely love W2A for a street car. On the street, you give it some gas here or there but it's impossible to be constantly loading it like you would on the track. This means that the time you're not boosting, the water has time to cool down again. The W2A core easily drops the charge air to pretty much the same temp as the water. The hard part is getting the heat out of the water. It's easy on the street but not ideal for track work IMO.

    The super short piping it allows is awesome for response as is the extremely low pressure drop due to the water part of the core only needing really thin channels so the charge air can use 70% of the core area instead of closer to 30% with a normal air to air core. This allows the core itself to be way smaller which helps pressure drop again because it's less of a change in diameter and direction for the air.

    I think we could fit a pretty decent core in the airbox/charge pipe sort of area if a TFT type intake was run to free up space on the intake manifold side of the engine. I would run new hot side charge pipes similar to stock but collecting up higher then a tube across the front of the engine nice and close, a bend around the oil filter housing then a W2A core straight after the bend then a bend straight into the throttle body.

    Another option would be to run BMS cowl filters and run the rear charge pipe straight over the engine and the front charge pipe across the front of the engine and have a charge pipe going into each side of a W2A core with two inlets on the end tank sitting sorta where the airbox goes and put a 180 degree bend on the outlet into the throttle body.

    Here are a couple of pics of my setup in my last car (2.2L by sleeving and boring rather than stroking to keep rod:stroke ratio as high as possible, 7mm longer rods, custom 9.5:1 CR 90mm pistons, twin scroll BorgWarner EFR 7064 with external wastegate with pipe divided all the way to the wastegate valve, W2A intercooler.). Response was insane! I miss it a lot!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bradsm87 Click here to enlarge
    I absolutely love W2A for a street car. On the street, you give it some gas here or there but it's impossible to be constantly loading it like you would on the track. This means that the time you're not boosting, the water has time to cool down again. The W2A core easily drops the charge air to pretty much the same temp as the water. The hard part is getting the heat out of the water. It's easy on the street but not ideal for track work IMO.

    The super short piping it allows is awesome for response as is the extremely low pressure drop due to the water part of the core only needing really thin channels so the charge air can use 70% of the core area instead of closer to 30% with a normal air to air core. This allows the core itself to be way smaller which helps pressure drop again because it's less of a change in diameter and direction for the air.

    I think we could fit a pretty decent core in the airbox/charge pipe sort of area if a TFT type intake was run to free up space on the intake manifold side of the engine. I would run new hot side charge pipes similar to stock but collecting up higher then a tube across the front of the engine nice and close, a bend around the oil filter housing then a W2A core straight after the bend then a bend straight into the throttle body.

    Another option would be to run BMS cowl filters and run the rear charge pipe straight over the engine and the front charge pipe across the front of the engine and have a charge pipe going into each side of a W2A core with two inlets on the end tank sitting sorta where the airbox goes and put a 180 degree bend on the outlet into the throttle body.

    Here are a couple of pics of my setup in my last car (2.2L by sleeving and boring rather than stroking to keep rod:stroke ratio as high as possible, 7mm longer rods, custom 9.5:1 CR 90mm pistons, twin scroll BorgWarner EFR 7064 with external wastegate with pipe divided all the way to the wastegate valve, W2A intercooler.). Response was insane! I miss it a lot!

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    All great ideas. I love the idea of an a2l cooler on the N54 and the N55. I think I'm going to do this.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by THATDONFC Click here to enlarge
    All great ideas. I love the idea of an a2l cooler on the N54 and the N55. I think I'm going to do this.

    This guy is so freakin down to do the coolest jobs! Someone throw this guy a bone.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by klipseracer Click here to enlarge
    This guy is so freakin down to do the coolest jobs! Someone throw this guy a bone.
    Seriously. Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by THATDONFC Click here to enlarge
    Seriously. Click here to enlarge
    Send me a pm. I live just north of Santa Barbara and have a 135 you could borrow.

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    Exhaust valve open/close map would be another awesome one to get control of

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bmw335iguy Click here to enlarge
    Send me a pm. I live just north of Santa Barbara and have a 135 you could borrow.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bmw335iguy Click here to enlarge
    Send me a pm. I live just north of Santa Barbara and have a 135 you could borrow.
    Sending one now.

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