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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    In some counties the labor is 6x the cost of the piston, in other countries it's 1/6th the cost. So it will depend on the region. In the USA I'd suggest throwing in 6 forged pistons if taking it apart.
    Agreed.

    OK here’s a question for you: Stock bottom end, but forged pistons. Would that make any sense to you? Let’s say we were shooting for high 500-low 600 wheel for a long-term, reliable build. Would it be worth the labor cost, assuming the motor is otherwise left stock? Curious if swapping the rods would make sense at those power levels, the stock ones are pretty damn beefy and don’t seem to buckle at the power levels we can hit. Pistons certainly seem to be the relative weak point, the crankshaft isn’t going anywhere. Thoughts?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 135pats Click here to enlarge
    Agreed.

    OK here’s a question for you: Stock bottom end, but forged pistons. Would that make any sense to you? Let’s say we were shooting for high 500-low 600 wheel for a long-term, reliable build. Would it be worth the labor cost, assuming the motor is otherwise left stock? Curious if swapping the rods would make sense at those power levels, the stock ones are pretty damn beefy and don’t seem to buckle at the power levels we can hit. Pistons certainly seem to be the relative weak point, the crankshaft isn’t going anywhere. Thoughts?
    If opening the engine. I would just do all regular items. Forged rods and pistons, as well as new rod bearings.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    If opening the engine. I would just do all regular items. Forged rods and pistons, as well as new rod bearings.
    +1. If engine is opened, do it all.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 135pats Click here to enlarge
    Agreed.

    OK here’s a question for you: Stock bottom end, but forged pistons. Would that make any sense to you? Let’s say we were shooting for high 500-low 600 wheel for a long-term, reliable build. Would it be worth the labor cost, assuming the motor is otherwise left stock? Curious if swapping the rods would make sense at those power levels, the stock ones are pretty damn beefy and don’t seem to buckle at the power levels we can hit. Pistons certainly seem to be the relative weak point, the crankshaft isn’t going anywhere. Thoughts?
    That is all I'd do. Most companies prefer to do rods and pistons. But IMHO the pistons are all you need.
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    this cyl has got to be bored to even work, and i believe all 6 have to be bored. cant just do 1. I can attempt getting a used piston on ebay and getting rings for it and hone the crap out of it. but i don't feel like pulling the motor out twice lol . the walls are gouged... he has his eye on a couple vettes. guess im going to start modding those lol Click here to enlarge but yeah cheapest way possible to fix the car
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    Looking at the picture of that piston I don't think even forged would have survived that much detonation.. Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by sammy_0559 Click here to enlarge
    but yeah cheapest way possible to fix the car
    Just get a Vette or Asian car. Much, much cheaper hp.

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    You should always have the block bored to match the pistons, and the crank machined to match the rods/bearings. Is it necessary? No, probably not. But it's the right way to do a rebuild, if you intend the rebuild to last more than 20k miles at least. Most machine shops wont charge all that much to machine and balance a rotating assembly.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by V8Bait Click here to enlarge
    Most machine shops wont charge all that much to machine and balance a rotating assembly.
    Usually comes in the package of labor when building a motor. That thing looks like it's going to need a whole new sleeve LOL. Boring that out will make the walls super super thin.
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    Ended up rebuilding the engine. Hopefully will get it started tomorrow after i get everything buttoned up.

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    REPPED FOR BB SHIRT!!

    That's awesome.

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    I've never seen 1 human power before.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by blisstik Click here to enlarge
    I've never seen 1 human power before.
    LOL. Never dated a college girl? Talk about human power! Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BigM62 Click here to enlarge
    LOL. Never dated a college girl? Talk about human power! Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by I6+TT=FTW Click here to enlarge
    Um I'm no genius by any means, but why has no one said the most likely cause to very well maintained cars, the wedge flash?
    2 cars mentioned here (OP's customer and boostaholic786 "MAJOR issues) that either blew their motors or started having major issues seemed to be running the wedge flash with a $#@! ton of advance...
    just sayin'... and I very well could be wrong, just looking at what was said.
    I agree. But before you and everyone else jumps to conclusions, the two cars that failed were already having misfire issues prior to installing my flash. The car in Florida actually failed while running the BMS flash not mine. Kid was having issues at the track and flashed back to BMS thinking that would fix his issues. He just kept pushing the car as it was running out of fuel... Lean misfires...

    As much as I advise people that you need to run a certain % of ethanol or have specific mods to run an aggressive flash, you always have the ones who are in denial and don't want to listen. It can't be an issue with their car, it must be the flash. LOL

    I just want to know why you would go from a BMS flash that caused misfire to my flash. Changing tunes is not the same as putting a new set of plugs in your car and making sure your fuel pumps and trims can support the power you're making... Then again, you have people like boostaholic786 who mislead you with regard to the mods they running. He sent messages about how good his car runs only to find out he didn't even flash his car. He even told me he went to a dyno event and pulled 560 whp... No logs, no dyno sheets... LOL I'm also not sure where boostaholic786 came up with 16.5 deg. The only map I sent him had 15.5 from 5k and was basically running the same timing the Vishnu E40 maps run. Considering the lack of mods he had his car would never hit that kind of timing. I wish he would have sent me some logs...

    So all in all, I've sent over 1000 flashes out to people all over the world. I have two people who claim that my flash caused their engine failures, both of which had major hardware issues prior to flashing. I don't know about you, but like you said you're no genius, but I bet you can figure this one out. LOL Ron White said it best, you can't fix stupid.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
    So all in all, I've sent over 1000 flashes out to people all over the world.
    Interesting...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    ARGH MY EYES
    What is a paragraph, daddy?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Are you allergic to paragraphs?
    He is definitely allergic to coherent prose. Didn't even bother reading. Life is too short for me now.

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