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    EVOMS 625 bhp Porsche 996 AWD versus Ferrari Modena 360 (add TT)

    Was looking around at different platforms than my usual BMW comfort base (had an M6, E46 M3, E34 540i, current E39 540i plus at one time an Esprit TT 3.5 V8, amongst others. The only Porker I ever had (1990s) was quickly sold because I hated the bloody clutch). This may be a little project while I wait either for the new M4 or maybe a C7 Vette (add boost).

    I came across a 2002 Modena I can buy really cheap (less than $60k, with 30k miles on it) and then I also started looking at 996 TT such as

    http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...sting=46578519

    I know all the problems with the base version of the 360 Ferrari and the cost to boost in TT format ($30k plus) but was wondering what the experts in tuning here on Porsche boost would do..... I know almost all Ferraris sold have dodgy odometer readings but I have checked out service records for the aforementioned 360.

    I am guessing the Ferrari all up will end up at the $100k level to boost to 600 whp versus the above listed Porsche which with another 10k$ will be near/above that level.

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    What are you looking for? The 996 is explosive with the right money, no reason to stop at 600AWHP. The Modena will look to break you every step of the way. I've never ridden in a boosted Ferrari but the Protomotive 996 I drove in was breathtakingly fast.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 135pats Click here to enlarge
    What are you looking for? The 996 is explosive with the right money, no reason to stop at 600AWHP. The Modena will look to break you every step of the way. I've never ridden in a boosted Ferrari but the Protomotive 996 I drove in was breathtakingly fast.

    Looking to mess around with something different that would be nice on the windy back roads around the Hamptons NY and for a few airport runway days I am going to look at organizing out here..... There are plenty of Maseratis, Lambos, 997.2 Turbos, a few McLarens, M6's, M5's, Bentley GT's, lots of Moostangs and Vettes etc................

    I should add I wanted to look at something a little different... there are plenty of low mile F 360 out here that seem to be driven once in a blue moon... fell in lust with a 360 10 years ago in France when some dude took me for a blast around the windy rear roads near Reims... thought it may be cool to TT one.

    I will do about 7000-10000 miles a year..... budget for repairs at about $8k a year (I know the Ferrari is way pricey to maintain)

    The Porsche I listed is way overpriced but I have looked at a few low mile 2002-2004's (stock)............... from stock what would be possible in the Porsche (750 whp AWD << $70k all up).. would look at manual Porkers only and probably either F1 or manual F 360.

    I have time on my hands so I may also look at buying some tuning software if I got a 996 TT just to see what I can do (I am an electronic engineer by trade originally).

    There are some excellent tuning and race shops on Long Island like TKX Performance and others who do Porsche and Ferrari mods, so the mods and bolt ons would not be a problem
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    I guess 600+AWHP 996s are "typical" in context compared to a boosted 360, so on those grounds for sure the Ferrari would be more unique.

    But I still think the better move is to get a Protomotive PE1000 and go nuts with it. Two or three things break in the Ferrari and it'll eat $8K. At the same time- it's a Ferrari (and a beautiful one at that) with forced induction. I get it.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 135pats Click here to enlarge
    I guess 600+AWHP 996s are "typical" in context compared to a boosted 360, so on those grounds for sure the Ferrari would be more unique.

    But I still think the better move is to get a Protomotive PE1000 and go nuts with it. Two or three things break in the Ferrari and it'll eat $8K. At the same time- it's a Ferrari (and a beautiful one at that) with forced induction. I get it.
    Thanks, I will check Protomotive...

    I should have also added my missus always comments on Porcshe's when she sees one... so it would be any easy buy in that context... she wouldn't even whine for long
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    I'd go with the Porsche, it's definitely a better "driver's" car and can easily be modded up to 700 WHP on a stock motor/Race Tune (E85/Race Gas) by a Protomotive or BBi. The Ferrari will definitely catch more looks and that V8 is impossible to ignore, but some food for thought...





    That Serious HP Single Turbo kit is pretty serious, but it's gonna require a very health 360 and looking at the SHP website it starts at $38k. Here's what it would include:
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    • - Forged engine internal components with low compresion (custom diamond forged pistons, cylinder honing, full balancing internal components, polished crankshaft, head porting..)
    • - Fuel system upgrade including new injectors and quality aluminium fittings
    • - Gear-Box, clutch and transmission upgraded
    • - Custom stainless steel exhaust using aircraft quality metal
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    Thanks BENZY - really appreciate the input
    I am going to look at a 575 Maranello Ferrari, 550 Maranello (manual) and a 2005 Turbo S, as well as some 996 Turbos (2002-2004) in a few minutes.... I have seen a few turbo pacakges for the Ferraris but would probably go local with a custom build....

    The 575 Maranello appeals in a way because they have devalued so much and are quite rare (2200 only built) and a boosted V12 would be sick... will see what the engine bay looks like... I really love the look of the 360 Modena and therew are easier options out there but rading all the threads on here a 996 or 997.1 will be much easier to get up to a decent level and will probably appeal more to my wife

    Will let you know what I find
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    There is also a GT2 for sale nearby I am going to check out when the weather clear and the roads are less "salty"
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    Now a boosted V12 Maranello would be SO cool. But I think you’re seeing the full picture of how expensive and time consuming a boosted Ferrari will be. You need an absolutely mint donor car, $40 large, and the end result is impressive but hardly mind blowing power levels. Also, couldn’t they throw you a bone and do something nicer than a Precision turbo for mid-priced car money?

    Protomotive, Ruf, AMS, Switzer…whoever. Just pick a tuner of your liking, find a decent condition 996TT (turbo or GT guise), throw some $ at it. Boom, 750AWHP all day long. The Ferrari will go out of its way to ruin balance sheets.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
    I am going to look at a 575 Maranello Ferrari, 550 Maranello (manual) and a 2005 Turbo S, as well as some 996 Turbos (2002-2004) in a few minutes.... I have seen a few turbo pacakges for the Ferraris but would probably go local with a custom build...
    Just saw that you're in the Hamptons, any chance you'd be using (or even heard of) Bradan Group
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    Bang for the buck it's really hard to beat a 996 Turbo.

    Based on what you're trying to do........I would stay away from the GT2. With a GT2 you want to buy it for it's nostalgia and for what it is out of the box. But if you're going to really throw some money into a build, why not start with a good condition 996 Turbo and go from there?

    You can pick up a low mileage 996 T for under 50K and put another 25K in and have a 7-800whp beast.

    That won't happen with the Ferrari!

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    996tt ftw.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    Just saw that you're in the Hamptons, any chance you'd be using (or even heard of) Bradan Group

    Don't know them mate, but will check them out... usually avoid Long Island people as you pay big $$$$$ for substandard service/performance (in my experience)

    Later, I will post my observations on a few test drives and "engo" views today on a few Ferraris and Porkers... off to watch Senna
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    Okay, so I have seen, tested or looked at (on paper) 10 Ferraris and a few Porkers.

    1. Ferrari 575 - got to my mate's shop (he owns part of a dealership here) expecting to see an immaulate Maranello... thing had a few DENTS on it and clearly had some sort of clutch problem as the F1 auto seemed to slip/blip 1st to 2nd gears...... really unimpressed. They showed me the service records... not sure if I should post here as it has the name of the owner etc but it was $8200 for what they told me was a 30,000 mile service yet the odometer shows only 14.5k miles or so... The only service logs are for that one time and were for wheel fitting, wheel alignment, new tires, a leak in a high pressure line, minor filters, cluster light on the dash and something else minor... Rating 20/100 Price $80k
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    2. Ferrari 550 Maranello 2002, MANUAL - odometer around 18,000 miles. Price $77k... - nope was a 1999 model not their listed 2002... similar problems to car 1 as I am sure this thing has done way more than even 30k miles as it has had numerous trips to the dealer for repairs, servicing etc.... apparently everyone pulls a fuse and it stops the odometer on these cars... anyway this had it's 30000 mile service 3 years ago .... wtf .....That was the full belt, clutch and fluids service...

    Why pay $8,000 at 14000 miles for a 30000 mile service I say..... very smelly.

    This car actually appealed to me more than the F1 transmissioned 575, not as much power but louder with a bolt on exhaust (capristo) and some other mods. The clutch was really good and despite being a GT it seemed lively and sporty

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    This car also seems to be on offer privately at a similar price and through another dealer for $95k..... Rating 50/100
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    If the weather is better I am going to look at this one next week in NYC

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ferrari-360-...US_Cars_Trucks
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    My buddy might have his 550 marinello for sale shortly...

    And if you were to get a 996tt I can introduce you to a buddy of mine who currently has the highest horsepower 996 Click here to enlarge
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    Dude offered me a "Sandy flooded" titled twin turbo Italia 458 F for something sub $180k... think a mob in Florida does the FI on it... may be worth a look next week in Jersey
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by folgrz Click here to enlarge
    My buddy might have his 550 marinello for sale shortly...

    And if you were to get a 996tt I can introduce you to a buddy of mine who currently has the highest horsepower 996 Click here to enlarge
    Did the 996 tt get tuned by one of the Long Island shops...

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    So I have now driven 7 Ferraris, a 458 Italia, 3 M575, 1 550M (manual) and 2 360 Modena's...... the 458 is clearly the best car but I liked the 550 manual overall the best especially at the price and insurance levels etc...... but the estimate to TT is near $60k (which really means it will be closer to $100k)... would I get any of that back over 10 to 20 years as these become more collector items... nope... and with repairs and insurance around $15-20K a year I could buy several C7's........... boost them and dump them for less hassles and the same joy I suspect............. so onto the Porsche... The best option would be just to buy the V12 and drive it as is near the $90,000 level..... meh, I would destroy one of these fragile beasts within a year

    I should add every Ferrai I drove had some type of niggling problem be it with the gearbox or clutch or handling outside of the manual car 550M. The 550 owner which had every microscopic

    So I went and drove some new and old Porkers.

    2005 Turbo S - low mileage available with manual... brilliant car and handled curves and all with aplomb... Rating 80/100

    2011 Turbo S with the auto-manual PDK tranny.... - magnificent little car that doesnt feel that little... seemed kind of heavy actually... not sure if I could love the PDK as much as I enjoy changing gears using a clutch..... rating 83/100 higher if I got used to NOT putting my left foot thru the floor near each braking point and upchange

    2002/03 GT2 - meh, very raw and dirty. Not for me

    2005 Turbo - very low miles, upgraded ceramic brake option but no X50 package... this car had been boosted with larger injectors, modded turbos - I will probably buy this if I can get her at a decent vig
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    I also drove 100 miles to see what the seller described as a perfect 2004 GT2 - nope it was just a normal turbo
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    How much are you saving on buying the 05 that is already upgraded?

    I see you didnt rate that one? Was that one the "perfect" car for you.

    You are making an expensive purchase you should wait and buy the car that you absolutely WANT or at least look at enough to know its the right car. Esp Color... in the beginning the car will let you overlook a color you desire until you get used to it and see the white or blue color you wanted.

    Do you know the owner of the 05 modded car? I dont know much about Porsche at all or their owners so im not sure if they withstand all abuse thrown at it, awd system strength. etc...

    personally I would want to choose my cars path and know whats been modified exactly. Esp with a car that you are willing to spend 80-90k on
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    I drove a 996 2003 i think for a weekend when my buddy got the car and the clutch was SO DIFFICULT to engange... he has never drove stick and wanted me to see what i thought... lol after the first time i pressed the cluth pedal i said there has got to be something wrong with this clutch setup... it was downright awful to engage and drive

    With that said it was manageable to drive and I really enjoyed the car. It was exactly as you described the newer one above, felt bigger, heavier but extremely tight , amazing steering, and decently quick for being stock.

    It had a gt2 bumper and to me seemed to me modified prior to his ownership do to a few small things i noticed.

    Trip to the dealer ended in 5-6k of repairs, new clutch and a slew of other crap... and they told them the car was def not cared for as it should have been, bolts stripped , clamps missing etc.. but was restored back to oem after the 6k or so... Id ask to bring to porsche too
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ChuckD05 Click here to enlarge
    How much are you saving on buying the 05 that is already upgraded?

    I see you didnt rate that one? Was that one the "perfect" car for you.

    You are making an expensive purchase you should wait and buy the car that you absolutely WANT or at least look at enough to know its the right car. Esp Color... in the beginning the car will let you overlook a color you desire until you get used to it and see the white or blue color you wanted.

    Do you know the owner of the 05 modded car? I dont know much about Porsche at all or their owners so im not sure if they withstand all abuse thrown at it, awd system strength. etc...

    personally I would want to choose my cars path and know whats been modified exactly. Esp with a car that you are willing to spend 80-90k on

    Thanks for the advice... I actaully got mixed up.. the car I am looking to buy is a Turbo S froma local guy... it is modded but has been driven but 3000 miles since modded..

    I will get a full PPI from my mate who does Porsche stuff out here..... I hear you though about modding... your advice is to buy a stock and then go from there... which given the availability of Cobb now and BBi type mods may be a way to go as well

    Said I would never buy a Porker until I grew a Fageena.. well it looks like I will have a Fageena soon
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