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    CALIFORNIA CONCEALED CARRY LAW CHANGE

    Surprised no one has posted anything about this as it is BIG news for anyone living in CA who is a gun owner. Looks like anyone who is good standing with the state can now show "good cause" by simply stating self defense as the reason for applying for a CCW permit. I'm sure it will take some time to officially take effect, but this groundbreaking decision by the 9th circuit court is paving the way for us to rightfully carry and protect ourselves outside of our homes.



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    Court overturns restrictions on concealed guns in much of California

    Appeals panel finds state rules allowing counties to restrict the right to carry concealed weapons in public violate the 2nd Amendment.

    By Maura Dolan and Tony Perry February 13, 2014, 9:10 p.m.

    SAN FRANCISCO In a significant victory for gun owners, a divided federal appeals court Thursday struck down California rules that permit counties to restrict as they see fit the right to carry a concealed weapon in public.
    The 2-1 ruling by a U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals panel would overturn restrictions on carrying concealed handguns, primarily affecting California's most populated regions, including Los Angeles, Orange County, San Diego and San Francisco.
    The majority said the restrictions violate the 2nd Amendment's guarantee of the right to bear arms because they deny law-abiding citizens the ability to carry weapons in public unless they show they need the protection for specific reasons.


    "We are not holding that the Second Amendment requires the states to permit concealed carry," Judge Diarmuid O'Scannlain, a Reagan appointee, wrote for the panel. "But the Second Amendment does require that the states permit some form of carry for self-defense outside the home."
    The decision was hailed by gun rights advocates, who said citizens must have the right to protect themselves in public. Proponents of stricter gun control described the ruling as an aberrant and reckless expansion of law that would lead to more gun violence.
    California's rules will remain in effect for the foreseeable future, pending appeals. Officials in San Diego County said they may seek a rehearing before a larger 9th Circuit panel, and experts said the issue would eventually be decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.
    Thursday's decision stems from a change in state law in 2012 that took away the right of residents to carry unloaded guns in public, with ammunition toted separately. Before the ban was enacted, courts routinely upheld restrictions on carrying concealed weapons. Gun owners argued that the ban and restrictions on concealed weapons made it impossible to defend themselves in public.
    California leaves it to counties to decide permit requirements for carrying concealed weapons in public, and the rules in the state's urban centers are more restrictive than in other areas.
    Gun owners who were denied permits by San Diego County sued, charging their federal constitutional rights had been denied. Although they were trained in gun use and had met background checks, they could not cite specific reasons why they needed the weapons.
    "Given this requirement, the `typical' responsible, law-abiding citizen in San Diego County cannot bear arms in public for self-defense," wrote O'Scannlain, who was joined by Judge Consuelo Callahan, an appointee of former President George W. Bush.
    The ruling, by two of the 9th Circuit's most conservative judges, conflicted with holdings in most other circuits and established gun rights beyond what the U.S. Supreme Court has guaranteed. The high court has applied the 2nd Amendment in the context of possessing guns in the home, not in the streets, experts said.
    Judge Sidney Thomas dissented, arguing that Thursday's decision "upends the entire California firearm regulatory scheme" and "needlessly intrudes and disrupts valid and constitutional legislative choices."
    Thomas, a Clinton appointee, said the 2nd Amendment has never been interpreted to protect concealed carrying of guns in public and noted that the state of California was not named as a defendant, though its rules were effectively being struck down.
    Senior Deputy San Diego County Counsel James Chapin, who represented San Diego in the case, called the lawsuit that led to Thursday's decision an "end run" against the state's new ban on openly carrying guns in public.
    "What they really want to do is strike down California's open carry ban," Chapin said. "That's really what this is about."
    Erwin Chemerinsky, a constitutional law expert at UC Irvine's School of Law, expressed doubt that the decision would be upheld by a larger 9th Circuit panel, though the outcome might depend on which judges were randomly chosen to decide the case.
    UCLA professor Adam Winkler, an expert on gun laws, called the ruling "a huge victory for gun owners in California."
    "They have been seeking the right to carry concealed weapons for years now," Winkler said.
    Citing the 2012 ban on the open carrying of guns, Winkler said: "Gun control advocates have no one but themselves to blame for this ruling. You have to give someone some option to carry a gun."
    He said that the ban on openly carrying unloaded guns affected relatively few people because most gun owners don't want the attention and questions that guns in public attract. But many more people might apply to carry concealed weapons, he said. "If you don't want many guns on the street, the answer is open carry," Winkler said.
    Chuck Michel, who represented the gun owners in the case, said the suit targeted the San Diego sheriff because the county has an "active client base" of 2nd Amendment supporters. He said the county's rules discouraged gun owners from even applying for a concealed weapon permit.
    The ruling affects only California and Hawaii among 9th Circuit states because the others have rules that favor the granting of permits to carry guns in public, according to Eugene Volokh, a professor of constitutional law at UCLA.
    "California's rules are essentially unconstitutional because the rule is, your right to carry a gun is at the mercy of the sheriff," Volokh said.
    Dianne Jacob, chairwoman of the San Diego County Board of Supervisors, said her initial reaction was positive."I have no problem with law-abiding citizens carrying concealed weapons in the name of self-defense," Jacob said.
    Gun control advocates expressed hope the decision would be overturned.
    "The parents of Jordan Davis [a Florida teen allegedly slain for playing rap music too loudly at a gas station] and Trayvon Martin, whose children were killed by licensed concealed-carry holders, could educate the court about the real dangers posed by this legal error," said Jonathan Lowy, director of the Legal Action Project for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.



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    While it's a step in the right direction, I don't think Cali is going to give up that easily. It'll just become another May Issue state just like NY or MA. There's still a long ways to go before our country wins back the rights our forefathers worked so hard to establish.

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    Well that makes me happy and as soon as this passes CCW it is.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by tinman831 Click here to enlarge
    While it's a step in the right direction, I don't think Cali is going to give up that easily. It'll just become another May Issue state just like NY or MA. There's still a long ways to go before our country wins back the rights our forefathers worked so hard to establish.
    Sad isn't it...how many people lost their lives and how many others who sacrificed and worked so hard to make this a free country that rewards those who work hard, and just see people throw it away....sickening really.
    2009 335i coupe back to stock...for now

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    That's cool but I still wouldn't move there. But I'm glad people will be able to freely carry and defend themselves.

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    California is awesome man. If only we didn't have these stupid life stops at 2 AM rules.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    California is awesome man. If only we didn't have these stupid life stops at 2 AM rules.
    Shame on you. You should be inside servicing your girl.Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onisyndicate Click here to enlarge
    That's cool but I still wouldn't move there. But I'm glad people will be able to freely carry and defend themselves.
    Lol freely carry? This ruling opens up the possibility for Californians to carry, but you can be darn sure that Cali will make it as difficult as possible for people to obtain permits.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BigM62 Click here to enlarge
    Shame on you. You should be inside servicing your girl.Click here to enlarge
    Agreed - nothing good happens after 2am and if you haven't lined it up before then your just gonna end up alone, in a ditch or jerking off.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
    Agreed - nothing good happens after 2am and if you haven't lined it up before then your just gonna end up alone, in a ditch or jerking off.
    You're right. But... I would like to decide what time I would like to go to bed on my own and not have the state do it for me.

    Personally, I've been getting a lot more done getting up with Sun just coming up then with it going down.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by tinman831 Click here to enlarge
    Lol freely carry? This ruling opens up the possibility for Californians to carry, but you can be darn sure that Cali will make it as difficult as possible for people to obtain permits.
    Oh it will be an up hill battle for sure and even if you do qualify how much will california charge for it.

    I live in Kansas. I can open carry almost anywhere. I can CC in federal and local government buildings if they can't provide a metal detector to scan for weapons and I can also buy suppressors that are made in kansas with out paying a Tax stamp.


    @Sticky I've been to LA and it was absolutely gorgeous there and I enjoyed the nice 70 degree weather in Feburary. Sexy cars Galore! The seafood was great and the girls were smokin! But I like where I live and I can do stuff also! Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onisyndicate Click here to enlarge
    I've been to LA and it was absolutely gorgeous there and I enjoyed the nice 70 degree weather in Feburary. Sexy cars Galore! The seafood was great and the girls were smokin! But I like where I live and I can do stuff also!
    LA's a big place. I love the city. I'm enjoying it more than Orange County now that I can 'experience' it better at this age.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by tinman831 Click here to enlarge
    Lol freely carry? This ruling opens up the possibility for Californians to carry, but you can be darn sure that Cali will make it as difficult as possible for people to obtain permits.
    Yes, they will. However this 9th circuit court ruling is unprecedented and the fact that they actually heard the case and decided in favor of the the 2nd amendment speaks volumes. But what is even more compelling (and humiliating for the anti gun activists) is that last year when they struck down the open carry law, they basically $#@!ed themselves. It opened up this new discussion about one's ability to protect themselves outside their homes - a right that is guaranteed by the 2nd amendment and also granted by almost every state in the Union.
    San Diego county will almost surely file an en banc motion to have the full panel of 9th circuit court judges review the findings of the three judges that made this ruling; which will delay this from taking effect. And, I'd imagine they will try to repeal it and bring back open carry laws but since they already banned that, they can't bring it back. This is great new for those of us who want to carry, but it's obviously going to be a long protracted process. I'm doing my CCW class for certification this Tuesday so that as soon as the new forms are available at the Sheriff's office I will be ready to apply.

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    Keep me updated on this I'd like to get my CCW ASAP.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    California is awesome man. If only we didn't have these stupid life stops at 2 AM rules.
    Don't forget to mention that the smog laws suck here and not having 93 oct sucks too. California sucks!!!! But nice weather.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
    Don't forget to mention that the smog laws suck here and not having 93 oct sucks too. California sucks!!!! But nice weather.
    Best weather. Best women. Best cars. Best location. Best everything.

    Seriously every place has its pluses and minuses but I have yet to find a place I would rather live. I really enjoy life here.

    For example today I got a little bit of a tan and was wearing shorts and flip flops all day. If I want snow it's an hour and a half to the mountains. 3 hours to Vegas. 2 hours to Mexico if I really want to get crazy. Wine country is just north and starts at an hour and a half from here. LA has everything going on. I have an excess of major sports around me (well pro football is coming back). I've got the best of everything. I just don't see how anywhere can compete with this.

    Smog laws? LOL.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Best weather. Best women. Best cars. Best location. Best everything.

    Seriously every place has its pluses and minuses but I have yet to find a place I would rather live. I really enjoy life here.

    For example today I got a little bit of a tan and was wearing shorts and flip flops all day. If I want snow it's an hour and a half to the mountains. 3 hours to Vegas. 2 hours to Mexico if I really want to get crazy. Wine country is just north and starts at an hour and a half from here. LA has everything going on. I have an excess of major sports around me (well pro football is coming back). I've got the best of everything. I just don't see how anywhere can compete with this.

    Smog laws? LOL.
    If you remove the state government, and the crazy people, Cali would be an awesome place to live.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by tinman831 Click here to enlarge
    If you remove the state government, and the crazy people, Cali would be an awesome place to live.
    Well, nothing is perfect.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Smog laws? LOL.
    I still have to shell out more cash when time comes, but you pay to play.
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