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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    If you are talking drag or roll racing a proper AT will always reign supreme over EVERYTHING. End of story.
    What is a proper AT? stock or an actual aftermarket 4speed? If its and aftermarket Auto it does not count.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    What are you smoking son? I'm not the one that's delusional...I don't even know what to say to you if you don't understand how much faster the 6AT is than the 6MT...even when tuning is completely figured out on the 6MT to help hold boost and timing between shifts it will never compete besides simply being able to hold more power with upgrades....for now
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    Easy Tony...lets not blow his mind yet...
    I'll be waiting and eating my popcorn when that happens. DCT yes, regular auto I don't see that happening. So what about the modded M6 with SMG I raced that I won to while I was on regular pump gas? How is that superior?
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    I would argue that a 6MT with NLS is better than AT during roll races. At a minimum, the 6mt doesn't flatline timing Click here to enlarge

    Ive be raced two other at n54's, never gave up an inch during shifts. I'm actually quite sure I can shift faster than the 6HP.
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    I understand you guys are new to the racing world. It's the only reason you would even consider making a MT vs AT argument when were talking strictly straight line racing. And a proper tranny means, properly working, no issues with it holding power, flatlining or any of that, It can be the factory tranny. A properly working AT will ALWAYS be faster. Take a car put the best drag racer in the world in it, have run it with an MT, pull it down, put an AT in it. Have him run it again the AT WILL be faster. That is a FACT. You cannot shift faster than an AT, sorry to burst your bubble. Now with all that said, I bought an MT for our shop car because first off all. No issues, secondly they are more fun. But in a straight line in a turbo car, not faster or quicker.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    What is a proper AT? stock or an actual aftermarket 4speed? If its and aftermarket Auto it does not count.



    I'll be waiting and eating my popcorn when that happens. DCT yes, regular auto I don't see that happening. So what about the modded M6 with SMG I raced that I won to while I was on regular pump gas? How is that superior?
    M6 with SMG? Well SMG is still a manual so....
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    I understand you guys are new to the racing world. It's the only reason you would even consider making a MT vs AT argument when were talking strictly straight line racing. And a proper tranny means, properly working, no issues with it holding power, flatlining or any of that, It can be the factory tranny. A properly working AT will ALWAYS be faster. Take a car put the best drag racer in the world in it, have run it with an MT, pull it down, put an AT in it. Have him run it again the AT WILL be faster. That is a FACT. You cannot shift faster than an AT, sorry to burst your bubble.
    whats the shift time of the 6HP? I can go as quick as 75MS.

    I dont see see an AT having any advantages over a mt during a roll race when using NLS. From a dead stop it's a different story.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge




    The fastest automatic in the world is the Lexus IS-F gearbox, at 100 ms. The ZF transmission in BMW's is at the 200 ms mark.


    Aston Martin Vanquish: 250 ms
    Ferrari 575M: 220 ms
    BMW M3 E36 with SMG I: 220 ms
    Ferrari 360: 150 ms
    Enzo Ferrari: 150 ms
    Lexus LFA: 150 ms
    Ferrari FXX: Under 100 ms
    Nissan GT-R: 100ms
    BMW M3 E46 with SMG II: 80 ms
    Ferrari 430 Scuderia & FXX Evoluzione: 60 ms
    Volkswagen Golf GTI (Direct Shift): 8 ms
    Bugatti Veyron (Direct Shift): 8 ms
    All Volkswagen DSG Gearbox (Direct Shift): 8 ms
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    DCT > all
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    DCT > all
    YeS! This correct. That's why every REAL drag has a DCT. Oh wait, they don't. You guys can say what you want. You are wrong and any real drag racer worth his salt knows it. But honestly who cares. It's Friday night. You guys can fight about it all you want, facts are facts. Cheers

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    whats the shift time of the 6HP? I can go as quick as 75MS.

    I dont see see an AT having any advantages over a mt during a roll race when using NLS. From a dead stop it's a different story.
    1) your shift time in a MT is not measure in the same way

    2) you are losing power to the wheels between shifts, not the case in our ZF transmission, and especially not so in the DCT.

    Say what you want, go take two bone stock 335i's, one MT and one AT and do the comparison yourself...I highly doubt you'll manage to beat out every professional driver that tested them for every magazine and major reviewer in the world...

    Would love to see your tests and how you think it's only taking you 75ms to get from gear to gear...every time...every gear...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    ? 600NM is like 442ft lbs of TQ. These things easily do that now in their sleep, wouldn't really call that a start.
    So funny you are do you even know what the zf6hp21 is at currently
    450nm=331tq so in my going to 600 or 700nm is a start. It's funny how everybody is a critic and don't what they're talking about but so quick comment. Then we have the peanut gallery thinking its so funny.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    1) your shift time in a MT is not measure in the same way

    2) you are losing power to the wheels between shifts, not the case in our ZF transmission, and especially not so in the DCT.

    Say what you want, go take two bone stock 335i's, one MT and one AT and do the comparison yourself...I highly doubt you'll manage to beat out every professional driver that tested them for every magazine and major reviewer in the world...

    Would love to see your tests and how you think it's only taking you 75ms to get from gear to gear...every time...every gear...
    We aren't talking bone stock brah. 6MT with NLS and CDV delete.

    The test is pretty easy - the wotbox interface allows me to program how long to interrupt the ignition power supply for while initiating a NLS. If my shift took longer than the time delay, RPMs will shoot up vs accelerate in the next gear. I'm most comfortable with it at 125ms, but have gone as low as 75ms. I could post my Cobb logs but I don't think the time stamps have the resolution to show definitively how many ms it took.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 07Tundra Click here to enlarge
    So funny you are do you even know what the zf6hp21 is at currently
    450nm=331tq so in my going to 600 or 700nm is a start. It's funny how everybody is a critic and don't what they're talking about but so quick comment. Then we have the peanut gallery thinking its so funny.
    Jesus...seriously? Obviously he knows what it's rated it stock, but it handles well beyond 600nm bone stock already, so no, a company saying they will back an upgrade rated at 600nm is not a start at all.

    So funny YOU are, you don't know what the hp21 is currently at....500wtq is no problem for the stock trans
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    We aren't talking bone stock brah. 6MT with NLS and CDV delete.

    The test is pretty easy - the wotbox interface allows me to program how long to interrupt the ignition power supply for while initiating a NLS. If my shift took longer than the time delay, RPMs will shoot up vs accelerate in the next gear. I'm most comfortable with it at 125ms, but have gone as low as 75ms. I could post my Cobb logs but I don't think the time stamps have the resolution to show definitively how many ms it took.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    YeS! This correct. That's why every REAL drag has a DCT. Oh wait, they don't. You guys can say what you want. You are wrong and any real drag racer worth his salt knows it. But honestly who cares. It's Friday night. You guys can fight about it all you want, facts are facts. Cheers
    What pro drag class allows DCT?

    The GTR seems to do just fine with it doesn't it?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    Jesus...seriously? Obviously he knows what it's rated it stock, but it handles well beyond 600nm bone stock already, so no, a company saying they will back an upgrade rated at 600nm is not a start at all.

    So funny YOU are, you don't know what the hp21 is currently at....500wtq is no problem for the stock trans
    So going up with base number 331tq to 442tq wouldn't make it handle more 500tq really, so it being at 331 and it can handle 500 that's 169 more than its suppose to. So if you take the starting point of 442 and add the 169 where are we know I believe higher than 500 more like 611. But that's just simple math what was I thinking 611wtq would suck.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 07Tundra Click here to enlarge
    It sure has
    I like how it encourages people to read as you never know what you may learn in a thread here. No need for overzealous moderation.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    I would argue that a 6MT with NLS is better than AT during roll races. At a minimum, the 6mt doesn't flatline timing Click here to enlarge

    Ive be raced two other at n54's, never gave up an inch during shifts. I'm actually quite sure I can shift faster than the 6HP.
    Preach lol.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    M6 with SMG? Well SMG is still a manual so....
    3 pedals= manual
    2 pedals= auto

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    DCT > all
    Yep, that and DSG 8ms holy$#@! in a car that came out in 06 in all production. How fast is the DCT compared to VAG DSG?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    1) your shift time in a MT is not measure in the same way

    2) you are losing power to the wheels between shifts, not the case in our ZF transmission, and especially not so in the DCT.

    Say what you want, go take two bone stock 335i's, one MT and one AT and do the comparison yourself...I highly doubt you'll manage to beat out every professional driver that tested them for every magazine and major reviewer in the world...

    Would love to see your tests and how you think it's only taking you 75ms to get from gear to gear...every time...every gear...
    I just went and looked at some logs of me in my cobalt ss. Repeatedly I did 120-160ms shifts, oh and thats with me lifting off. I wouldn't NLS anymore in my cobalt because I didn't want to risk blowing the tranny with the torque I was making in that car. I can only imagine how much faster it is w/o lifting etc.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    YeS! This correct. That's why every REAL drag has a DCT. Oh wait, they don't. You guys can say what you want. You are wrong and any real drag racer worth his salt knows it. But honestly who cares. It's Friday night. You guys can fight about it all you want, facts are facts. Cheers
    so you're telling me.. if you took out the DCT (wtf ever acronym they choose, DSG, TC-SST blah blah) from the GT-R and put in a conventional auto it would be faster?

    what?
    boop

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    Yep, that and DSG 8ms holy$#@! in a car that came out in 06 in all production. How fast is the DCT compared to VAG DSG?
    Honestly I bet they're all fairly close as we would need a third party to measure them all with some sort of unified standard. They're fast... damn fast.
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    How much power can the MT hold?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jewber Click here to enlarge
    How much power can the MT hold?
    I don't know of anyone who has issues with the transmission itself. Its the clutch that holds you back.
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