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    135i BMS FFTEC Single Turbo Dyno Testing

    Hey guys,

    Been racking up miles on the 135i and fixing little things. And finally had a chance to get to the dyno today for some baseline testing. As I've mentioned in the other thread I've been VERY pleased with the FFTEC twin scroll top mount 5862 kit. On road performance and spool is much better than any other combinations I've driven.

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    ~E30 mix for for 17psi runs. For 20psi+ runs enabled meth kit for fueling using a single CM10 nozzle.

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    1) Was not going after any power records so left the tuning very conservative all around. At the same boost levels there is easily another 15hp in this setup with more advance. And no reason this turbo can't be cranked up to 28psi when the trans is ready.
    2) It made a lot more power than I was expecting. It's basically on pace with the 6466 at these lower boost levels only with much better spool.
    3) If the trans would shift this car would be seriously quick. I'll get to work on that ASAP.

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    Nice work, repped.

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    Sounds soo good.....great work T

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    Feck me.. I am so hyped up after seeing that 550 whp+ run that I am going to crank up my Strat and play an ode to the God Jimi

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    Get any chance to do some straight 93 pulls?
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    Looks like solid gains. Are you dumping boost as early as 3500 where the torque splits over the different max boost targets?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
    Get any chance to do some straight 93 pulls?
    No. But since timing is so low at 17psi it would make around the same ~500whp I expect.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    No. But since timing is so low at 17psi it would make around the same ~500whp I expect.
    Yeah, what I was thinking. 6-10 degrees should be doable on pump.
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    Nice numbers Click here to enlargeClick here to enlarge

    Im sure u can hit 650rwhp with this turbo

    good luck

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    That turbo spool sound Click here to enlarge

    Logs look clean. Nice work T. Thanks for the data.

    So 24psi will hit 600whp?

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    @Terry@BMS how is the wheel spin at 23psi 50mph roll or lower ?

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    Thats badass!
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    Awesome results! As with most other platforms, seems the same holds true here....twinscroll t4 is the way to go!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 135idct Click here to enlarge
    @Terry@BMS how is the wheel spin at 23psi 50mph roll or lower ?
    2nd gear spins the drag radials badly unfortunately. 3rd gear spins a bit but is manageable.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dirty Dog Click here to enlarge
    That turbo spool sound Click here to enlarge

    Logs look clean. Nice work T. Thanks for the data.

    So 24psi will hit 600whp?
    Yes in that range. I'm thinking with another 2 degrees of timing at 25psi it should well exceed my 620rw race trim power goal.
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    Whoo!!! This turbo will easily hit the 620 goal. Tad more boost with a bit more timing, and you are there! Glad everything is going so swimmingly well with the 135 @Terry@BMS!! All of our emails and communications in regards to the setup seems to have worked out nicelys!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Yes in that range. I'm thinking with another 2 degrees of timing at 25psi it should well exceed my 620rw race trim power goal.
    620rw sounds good for a 5862. I need to take a ride in this car once you do the trans.

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    WOW that's so smooth.. no cliff at all!

    can't wait to see this at 600-650whp, will be a total beast, and still driveable!
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    Not really trying to stir the pot... but Click here to enlarge

    Since Terry had to turn the meth on to run E30 past 17psi I wonder if @Anthony@FFTEC would like to comment on why Shiv was adamant that "meth was only there for cooling purposes and not fueling" on his kits?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
    Not really trying to stir the pot... but Click here to enlarge

    Since Terry had to turn the meth on to run E30 past 17psi I wonder if @Anthony@FFTEC would like to comment on why Shiv was adamant that "meth was only there for cooling purposes and not fueling" on his kits?
    In my experience it's just a function of fuel and air/fuel ratio. I'm running ~11.8:1 on E30 and started to see fuel pressure dipping around 500rw. If I was running race gas and 12.5:1 no reason it can't support 600rw or more. Frankly it would be nice to dump the meth kit and run just straight E50 and hit 600rw. But with todays fueling hardware it's just not possible with the air/fuel ratios and steady fuel pressure I'd need to be comfortable with it. Maybe with tomorrows hardware it can be done.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    In my experience it's just a function of fuel and air/fuel ratio. I'm running ~11.8:1 on E30 and started to see fuel pressure dipping around 500rw. If I was running race gas and 12.5:1 no reason it can't support 600rw or more. Frankly it would be nice to dump the meth kit and run just straight E50 and hit 600rw. But with todays fueling hardware it's just not possible with the air/fuel ratios and steady fuel pressure I'd need to be comfortable with it. Maybe with tomorrows hardware it can be done.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
    With a safe AFR fuel runs out at 600rwhp. Which sucks Click here to enlarge
    The fueling generally is a holdup. I still have a Vargas drilled fuel rail I can throw on. But we need a stronger high pressure pump. Or to take the plunge and go to supplementary injectors. But it is what it is. For now ~620rw gives this car the power it needs to run in the 6s 60-130 and mid 10s at the track which will keep me happy for awhile. And even using map 2 (17psi) on 93 octane it's plenty fun around town. On par with the RBs IMHO.
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    Wow that sounds amazing! The hp/tq graph looks great, I can't wait to see it with more tuning tweaks
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    @Terry@BMS when u will start build the trans, which company u will go for, level10??

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