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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    I don't count incorrect statements as "burns" sorry
    You just made an incorrect statement.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    You just made an incorrect statement.
    I did not, motor was in the 1M, it was a slightly different version of the motor, tuned up, sure, by //M and put in the 1M. How do you know how much the //M guys played a role in the motor? It was in an //M car, and considering 10 engines is a rather long list, I can't see the N54 not being on a top ten list of BMW motors of all time, "//M" list or not, it should be there on. Name 5 motors by BMW that outperform it that people use on the street?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    I did not, motor was in the 1M, it was a slightly different version of the motor, tuned up, sure, by //M and put in the 1M.
    You can not possibly be serious. Oh wow a more aggressive map! That's some serious M tuning of the motor.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    How do you know how much the //M guys played a role in the motor?
    By what they called it. Does the BMW engine naming system confuse you somehow?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    It was in an //M car
    Unfortunately that is why the 1M is not a real M car.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    I can't see the N54 not being on a top ten list of BMW motors of all time, "//M" list or not, it should be there on.
    Yeah well it's not going to be because it isn't an M motor.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    Name 5 motors by BMW that outperform it that people use on the street?
    That is not the prerequisite for an M motor but S54, S65, S50, S38, S85, S62, S53, and the S70 for starters.

    Nobody who actually knows anything about M motors would call the N54 an M motor. It's not. It never will be. Get it through your head.
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    lol, so now you are telling BMW the 1M is not an //M car? Ok....and only three of those motors are currently outperforming the N54 on the street...so like I said, you can't name 5 motors by BMW outperforming the N54...and the S65 is only very narrowly beating out the N54 at this point.

    Either way I'll be very interested to see your list and the reasoning behind each motor making the list.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    lol, so now you are telling BMW the 1M is not an //M car?
    Just because they put an M badge on it does not turn the N54 into an M motor. It's called an N54. There is no debate.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    nd only three of those motors are currently outperforming the N54 on the street
    You don't know what you're talking about. Additionally, an M motor is not about raw power number so it's a dumb point to even make.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    o like I said, you can't name 5 motors by BMW outperforming the N54...and the S65 is only very narrowly beating out the N54 at this point.
    It isn't narrowly beating it but if it was or if it wasn't the S65 would still be an M motor and the N54 still would not be.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    Either way I'll be very interested to see your list and the reasoning behind each motor making the list.
    It's a good thing I'm making the list and you aren't.
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    Ok, that's fine, //M motor or not, it still outperforms almost all other BMW motors ever made except a very short few.

    I understand more than power is involved, like weight, reliability, technological advancements, benchmarks set, etc.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    Ok, that's fine, //M motor or not, it still outperforms almost all other BMW motors ever made except a very short few.
    lag lag lag and then some peak power isn't outperforming anything. The N54's you are mentioning wouldn't even last a race against an M motor.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    I understand more than power is involved, like weight, reliability, technological advancements, benchmarks set, etc.
    And maybe M actually touching the motor?
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    Lag? What are you talking about? What lag? Plenty of guys track their N54 powered cars all the time, and for as many that were produced, sure not many stories of any blowing up?

    Ok, I already said I don't care if you call it an //M or not, but it still outperforms most //M motors ever made. Laggy peaky power....bah better than a torqueless S65....
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    Lag? What are you talking about? What lag? Plenty of guys track their N54 powered cars all the time, and for as many that were produced, sure not many stories of any blowing up?
    In one breath you're saying power in the other you're talking about guys on stock turbos tracking? It doesn't matter there's lag period.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    Ok, I already said I don't care if you call it an //M or not, but it still outperforms most //M motors ever made
    WTF are you talking about. No, it doesn't. Every single motor I named outperforms it whether it be track performance or peak power potential. Seriously, your blind N54 humping is lame.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    Laggy peaky power....bah better than a torqueless S65....
    The S65 is a BIGGER motor with a wider rev range. So um the N54 will always have more lag trying to match up with it. The S65 with a pair of small turbos will make more torque than the N54 could ever dream of and more power.

    You seriously don't know what you're talking about.
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    lol. I'm afraid the N54 is not an M motor by any stretch of the imagiation, at least from what has been shown by ///M in the past to be an ///M motor. First of all, it has no peak power, it overheats really fast without aftermarket cooling parts, it runs super hot, it is laggy compared to real M motors (not really laggy compared to other turbo motors, but not an ///M engine). Oh and before I forget, its missing an S in its engine designation Click here to enlarge.

    Don't get me wrong the N54 is a great motor, a fun motor and has plenty of power to put a smile on your face, but it was not built by ///M with tracking in mind.
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    1. N54 is an amazing engine - without doubt.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    Ok, I already said I don't care if you call it an //M or not, but it still outperforms most //M motors ever made. Laggy peaky power....bah better than a torqueless S65....
    2. In no world does the N54 out perform any S engine in a racing environment. Plenty of N54s (N55s especially) are fine (and fast!) at HPDEs, but look at how many S14, S52, S54, S65 cars are there...then look at how many S52, S54, now S65 cars are racing.

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    The name designation tells you it's not a m motor, plain and simple. The n54 is great though and I love that bmw made it.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@VAC Click here to enlarge
    2. In no world does the N54 out perform any S engine in a racing environment. Plenty of N54s (N55s especially) are fine (and fast!) at HPDEs, but look at how many S14, S52, S54, S65 cars are there...then look at how many S52, S54, now S65 cars are racing.

    As much as I hate to say it and agree, this is 100% true. N54 sucks ass for any actual racing track. In a straight line for ac ouple of pulls its okay.

    On the canyons, my oil temps go up 260F and that's with an oil cooler. I have to let it sit for lik 15 minutes with hood open at the top of every run. Kinda annoying. My cobalt on the otherhand was werid, the more I pushed the motor the coolant would drop from 180 temp (Normal) to 165 temp. My oil in the cobalt would stay the same temp, that's an effecient motor.

    I can only imagine the S54 and s65 in the same, except for that stupid power steering that always leaks and blows for some reason when it gets really hot.
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    The N54 isn't an M motor at all.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@VAC Click here to enlarge
    2. In no world does the N54 out perform any S engine in a racing environment. Plenty of N54s (N55s especially) are fine (and fast!) at HPDEs, but look at how many S14, S52, S54, S65 cars are there...then look at how many S52, S54, now S65 cars are racing.
    It's a lost cause to try to explain what an M motor is and what an M motor isn't if we are ranking them based arbitrary aftermarket power figures. Even then, the M motors still come out on top.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
    The N54 isn't an M motor at all.
    Exactly.
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    You can't start a thread without a n54 fanboy getting their jimmies rustled. The n54 is great but stock for stock it doesn't out perform a m engine... Honestly stock for stock he n55 is better than the n54.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
    You can't start a thread without a n54 fanboy getting their jimmies rustled. The n54 is great but stock for stock it doesn't out perform a m engine... Honestly stock for stock he n55 is better than the n54.
    Thou shalt not insult the N54 or say anything logical.

    A comment like saying it outperforms every M motor is so f'ing stupid I don't even know what to see. There are S38's in Sweden with like 1600 whp. Come on now...
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    Lmao who neg reps me for telling the truth
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    It's ok I have a bigger thumb.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It's ok I have a bigger thumb.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
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    I repped you, or tried I must have before lol.

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    Sticky, are you going to make this list or what? I don't see how it's going to be too hard for motors to make the list anyway when there's only how many //M motors ever made? ~10?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mjmarovi Click here to enlarge
    Sticky, are you going to make this list or what? I don't see how it's going to be too hard for motors to make the list anyway when there's only how many //M motors ever made? ~10?
    No I just talk out my ass. Here's a preview:

    hislist will definitely elicit some emotional responses as well as agood amount of debate. With the BMW Motorsport division leaving theirspectacular naturally aspirated tradition and the next generation M3set to have a forced induction motor for the first time in itsstoried history, this is a good point in time to honor the history ofM and acknowledge the great motors they have produced before the lastnaturally aspirated M motor official ends production which willhappen next year.



    Whatis the best M motor BMW ever created? Well, below you will findBimmerBoost's ranking which of course is subjective but based on ananalysis of BMW M's history, the aftermarket, and Motorsport prowessas the letter M does stand for. Let the debate begin...



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    Whythe S38? If you have to ask then it is a good thing you are notcompiling this list. This is the first true M motor, the one thatstarted it all. A buttery smooth inline-6 with individual throttlebodies that set the standard for all that would follow. It is basedon the M88 motor which can really be considered the father of all Mmotors as it was included in the very first M car, the BMW M1.



    IfBMW themselves saw fit for this motor design to go into what theyspecifically titled the first of all that is M, who are we to argue?The M88 was turbocharged for Motorsport use way back in 1979 where itwas said to make over 950 horsepower and used in Group 5 racingstarting in the 1980 season. 950 horsepower way back in the 80's. Ifthis is not an M engine design that has stood the test of time, whatis?



    Nowof course with the introduction of the S38 for the E28 M5 the M88design saw some changes although the bore, stroke, and cylinder headall carried over. A dual-row timing chain, different cam profile,internals with a different compression ratio, and a catalyticconverter for emissions reasons were the major changes. Log headerswere introduced which was a cost cutting effect of the motor goinginto a sedan so there was a performance penalty versus the M88/3. TheS38 would see duty in the E28 M5 and E34 M5. The was so stout it wasseen fit for two generations of M5's undergoing evolution for theE34. No other BMW M5 motor can make this claim. This motor also sawdouble duty in the very first M6.



    TheS38 eventually reached 3.8 liters of displacement with the S38B38fitted to the E34 M5 producing 335 naturally aspirated horses. BMWpushed the S38B38 very far considering it was a street motor as thespacing between cylinders was even more narrow than that of the motorused by BMW in Motorsport.



    TheS38 remained in production until 1995 when all was said and done.This a basic engine design that was used by BMW since 1978. There isno other BMW M motor that can make the claim of its design seeing usein three separate decades. There is no other M motor that deservesthe first place spot. There is no other M motor as storied or withsuch longevity. There is no other M motor that started it all. Thisis the first, this is the best, and so it shall always be.



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    Now it's going to take a long while to complete the list because I'm not just stringing together a list with 1 paragraph like Jalopnik and actually providing some background and real analysis. So if you think it's easy because it's 10 motors our levels of writing are world's apart.

    And no, the N54 won't be on the list because it isn't a damn M motor.
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