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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I'm not familiar with Ampelos.
    They make a good Syrah
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    Can anyone recommend a good wine bar up in Pasadena? Was looking for one of those wine bars where you carry a card and can taste multiple bottles.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jdub679 Click here to enlarge
    Can anyone recommend a good wine bar up in Pasadena? Was looking for one of those wine bars where you carry a card and can taste multiple bottles.
    Wish I could help but I'm not familiar with the area.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Wish I could help but I'm not familiar with the area.
    Thanks anyways. Reading through the wine list at a place called Wine Detective. One ounce pours on over 50 wines.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jdub679 Click here to enlarge
    Thanks anyways. Reading through the wine list at a place called Wine Detective. One ounce pours on over 50 wines.
    Now that sounds like my kind of place.

    Just looked it up. I'd definitely try it out.

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    Sorry for the crappy photo quality but since my phone is down I'm using my Ipad. Yes, the quality sucks.

    That said, having:

    2004 BV George de Latour
    2007 Pahlmeyer

    The Pahlmeyer kicks the $#@! out of it. The George de Latour isn't even a bad wine, used to love it, but man is it outclassed. The Pahlmeyer is superb. 94+ easy.

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    I like both the wines above

    BTW - our friends (who usually buy $15 bottles of wine) just did the Napa for a week and went beserk at Niebaum Coppola, Quintessa, Rubicon and a few others = $12k damage... even paid the $50 for a small try of the over-rated Opus One
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    What they charge at the Opus Wine winery is insanity. If those people knew what I bought Opus One for... it's all a brand name. That said, great wine. Worth the money? No. Worth what I pay? Yes.

    Quintessa is is also overrated.

    $12k for a Napa outing is about right. That said, I'd be hitting up places worth that $12k.

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    They hit up plenty of wineries, I can't remember them all as they showed me 100 pics but unless I am drinking I aint interested.

    They also hit up the HIGHLY touted French Laundry for dinner... cost them $1600 for 4 with ONLY 1 bottle of wine.... Click here to enlarge Kind of reminds me of my days in Tokyo at the height of their economic bubble... said food was okay, nothing WORLD beating

    Said Le Auberge Soleil (???) had the best food
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    French Laundry is well known fine dining in Napa. It's the place to be seen there too. Excellent spot but expensive.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    French Laundry is well known fine dining in Napa. It's the place to be seen there too. Excellent spot but expensive.

    He has "Per Se" in NY which is $295 pp +++ (3 star Michelin) - Great food but I have eaten at about 12 Michelin 3 stars around the world and outside of 3 or 4 they have all been OVER-RATED and over priced to the hilt



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    For the Oscars we are having my last 2004 Stella's Garden (Lost Hwy Project) (95/100), a 2002 Dom Perignon (94/100) and a bottle of the GREAT 2005 Enchanted Path (97/100)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
    He has "Per Se" in NY which is $295 pp +++ (3 star Michelin) - Great food but I have eaten at about 12 Michelin 3 stars around the world and outside of 3 or 4 they have all been OVER-RATED and over priced to the hilt



    WINE

    For the Oscars we are having my last 2004 Stella's Garden (Lost Hwy Project) (95/100), a 2002 Dom Perignon (94/100) and a bottle of the GREAT 2005 Enchanted Path (97/100)

    Just as the snow starts now in Quogue
    It's all mostly overrated. I mean it depends what price you put on indulging your senses.

    Even when I have great tickets to a ball game or sporting event it's overrated. Same thing with clothes, watches, etc. With almost everything there is a more cost effective option that can bring similar satisfaction.

    You pay for that extra little bit and also because of the exclusivity that comes with it. The person dining at Mcdonalds will also get full but it's how you get full that is the difference. The person driving the Subaru may also be as fast as an M3 but he goes home in a Subaru.

    You know what I mean.

    That said, 2002 Dom is awesome. The 2005 Enchanted Path is spectacular. All of the Enchanted Paths are good really but the '05 is fantastic.

    I have yet to try the Stella's Garden.

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    I was going to get the '04 Dom but the wine shop owner did me a solid and solid me the '02 which apparently is light years better

    BTW - I have owned a few Subarus.... effing god cars, one had 300k miles on the same engine on my farm !!! Click here to enlarge
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    Subarus are good cars. Inn N Out makes a good burger. Would I prefer a steak?

    Will Vodka get you drunk faster than a $200 wine?

    It's all relative.

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    Inn n Out RULES, would kill for it on the east coast
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    It is pretty good. I almost feel like going grab a burger right now but I think I'll just heat up lasagna and pour myself a whiskey.

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    Went to Le Bernardin back in 2009. Thought it was excellent.

    Had the Mollydooker The Boxer Shiraz tonight. It was amazing. I would buy that again in a second. Seriously, if this is Mollydooker's low end wine, I am looking forward to trying the rest of their offerings.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jdub679 Click here to enlarge
    Seriously, if this is Mollydooker's low end wine, I am looking forward to trying the rest of their offerings.
    That's what I'm saying. All of their stuff is good.

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    Okay, so I have a question about cork taint.

    I brought a '97 Il Poggione Brunello de Montalcino and a 2005 La Velona Brunello to drink when I went to SB. The '97 had a HUGE nose of mushrooms/earth that dominated it. Couldn't tell if there was much fruit nose on it. There were basically no tannins at this point, and it drank smooth, but had a faint flavor of sherry. We made the assumption based on this that the wine was corked.

    However, this past weekend at Wine Detective, I tried a 2008 Casanova de Neri Brunello and it had the same type of nose, basically mushrooms/earth and it was much fruitier (I'm guessing because it was younger).

    I thought the nose on the '97 basically gave it away as a corked wine, but now I'm not too sure. I wish they had a somm there to test it out for me, but we asked the chef at Ballard Inn, and he didn't really give us a definitive answer one way or the other (but he was leaning towards corked).

    Is that earthiness just a characteristic of brunellos? Was it corked?
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    It WAS corked.... I have had 20+ yr old Brunellos that have that lovely FRUIT and no "mushroom" taint.... I could see a good Barbera having that kind of nose but no your wine sounds like it was a bit corked and a bit over the hill (sherry flavour)

    It is a hard one though as in my whole life I have had but 3 tainted/corked wines................ one was in a Yugoslav restaurant and only one of my group of 7 and the somm noticed it... I thought it was fine

    Also, some oldies will smell like crap until they air out... I sometimes decant for 6 to 10 hours and they go much better.... others die with the air

    Which is why I buy wines I know at ages I know
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jdub679 Click here to enlarge
    Went to Le Bernardin back in 2009. Thought it was excellent.

    Had the Mollydooker The Boxer Shiraz tonight. It was amazing. I would buy that again in a second. Seriously, if this is Mollydooker's low end wine, I am looking forward to trying the rest of their offerings.

    they have a 2010 Cabernet for something around $22 I think.. good stuff and yes "The Boxer" is good stuff like a 91/100
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jdub679 Click here to enlarge
    Okay, so I have a question about cork taint.

    I brought a '97 Il Poggione Brunello de Montalcino and a 2005 La Velona Brunello to drink when I went to SB. The '97 had a HUGE nose of mushrooms/earth that dominated it. Couldn't tell if there was much fruit nose on it. There were basically no tannins at this point, and it drank smooth, but had a faint flavor of sherry. We made the assumption based on this that the wine was corked.

    However, this past weekend at Wine Detective, I tried a 2008 Casanova de Neri Brunello and it had the same type of nose, basically mushrooms/earth and it was much fruitier (I'm guessing because it was younger).

    I thought the nose on the '97 basically gave it away as a corked wine, but now I'm not too sure. I wish they had a somm there to test it out for me, but we asked the chef at Ballard Inn, and he didn't really give us a definitive answer one way or the other (but he was leaning towards corked).

    Is that earthiness just a characteristic of brunellos? Was it corked?
    Earthiness can be a character of an aged Brunello and many aged red wines. That said, cork taint varies. Heavy cork taint will be instantly recognizable as sort of a cat pee smell. It also mutes the taste a bit.

    It's hard to say based on what you provided. A bottle can even be off just due to a bad seal. This is why screw tops are the future or at least should be.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
    It WAS corked.... I have had 20+ yr old Brunellos that have that lovely FRUIT and no "mushroom" taint.... I could see a good Barbera having that kind of nose but no your wine sounds like it was a bit corked and a bit over the hill (sherry flavour)

    It is a hard one though as in my whole life I have had but 3 tainted/corked wines................ one was in a Yugoslav restaurant and only one of my group of 7 and the somm noticed it... I thought it was fine

    Also, some oldies will smell like crap until they air out... I sometimes decant for 6 to 10 hours and they go much better.... others die with the air

    Which is why I buy wines I know at ages I know
    I kinda think this as well.

    Through the entire 2+ hour dinner, that mushroom smell never dissipated. It was strong. Almost overwhelmingly strong. But it wasn't "cat piss" like, @Sticky. I'd recognize an ammoniated smell immediately and there was none of that.

    I've got another '97 Ciacci Piccolomini Brunello that I'll be opening to see if it's the same story. Probably is though.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jdub679 Click here to enlarge
    I've got another '97 Ciacci Piccolomini Brunello that I'll be opening to see if it's the same story. Probably is though.
    We'll have to see. I'd expect it to have a bit of that sort of barnyard quality in the nose but there should be some fruit initially on the taste.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    We'll have to see. I'd expect it to have a bit of that sort of barnyard quality in the nose but there should be some fruit initially on the taste.
    I guess this turned out to be a real world lesson in poor cellaring. I'll be buying a wine fridge this week.
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