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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BuraQ Click here to enlarge
    The AWIC of the S55 is on the top of Engine with barely any room.
    Why can't you move it?

    Also, I believe the hood bulge serves a function this time around as far as clearance for the IC. There is no reason you can't upgrade it.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    The fact that this is the first M3 to come FI from the factory will definitely bring a LOT of high profile aftermarket tuners that the M3 did not previously have. Besides the wide selection of established BMW tuners (Active Autowerke, BMS, COBB, Evolve, ESS, Gintani), I'd expect some well known (and respected) turbo tuners like AMS + Switzer to both dump a TON of R&D into this car.


    Expect a similar progression/growth that the N54 and S63 Tu are going through.... It'll start with basic piggyback boost modifiers, bolt-ons, and then after cracking the DME slowly easy it's way into flash tuning, turbo upgrades, etc etc.
    Good. The more the merrier.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Why can't you move it?

    Also, I believe the hood bulge serves a function this time around as far as clearance for the IC. There is no reason you can't upgrade it.
    Never said you couldn't, it just would not be a direct replacement. As for the hood hump, hopefully the factory didn't rob that space completely

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    anyone else see it looks like a 8 rib belt running the A/C and Alt. Why so much belt??

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    I think running the engine coolant through it is also part of the what needs to be changed, these engines run very high water temps, and getting rid of that and running a dedicated coolant supply for the AWIC will net much lower IAT's. What good is running 210 degree water through a heat exchanger thats trying to cool off a less than 200 degree Air temps. I think there was a MB platform running an AWIC and this was part of the upgrade, getting it out of the cooling system loop.

    Edit: The more I look the more it appears BMW was smarter than running the coolant through the AWIC. That coolant tank the IC is connected to near the firewall looks much too small for the entire engine, the IC system most likely has its own coolant system, including heat exchanger, and pump.
    Right, agreed. I was meaning its own cooling setup and heat exchanger.
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    For the amount of money this car will cost, why did they chose to go with a plastic IM not understanding the reasoning behind this.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr.335 Click here to enlarge
    For the amount of money this car will cost, why did they chose to go with a plastic IM not understanding the reasoning behind this.
    BMW would make plastic pistons if they could get away with it.

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    Yep, just read this. http://www.tcbmw.com/wp-content/uplo...-M4-Retail.pdf . If I packaged a M3/4 equal to my 2010 or 2013 E92 the F8x is over $100k! Vette.....

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by IMHOWTFFTW Click here to enlarge
    Yep, just read this. http://www.tcbmw.com/wp-content/uplo...-M4-Retail.pdf . If I packaged a M3/4 equal to my 2010 or 2013 E92 the F8x is over $100k! Vette.....
    Canadian pricing about $10k higher than US.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    BMW would make plastic pistons if they could get away with it.
    LOL..such a shame.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr.335 Click here to enlarge
    For the amount of money this car will cost, why did they chose to go with a plastic IM not understanding the reasoning behind this.
    I remember asking Arin@APR this about 5 years ago with my GTI engine. On why they'd never come out with an aluminum Intake mani instead of plastic cheap etc.

    His response obviously not verbatim but still made a good point was that plastic is much better with heat. There is no heat soak in plastic like there is with aluminum. Then there are the cons that it is cheap, and can break easier than aluminum of course.

    I haven't really seen them break at all really, (VW intake manifolds or even our own N54 intake manifolds). Most things that break are plastic chargepipes and plastic end tanks on the intercooler.
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    somehow this whole time i missed that they didn't bump it up to 3.2L

    this makes me super sad.

    and 15.8 gallons of fuel is small on what planet?

    60 liters is HUGE. highway cruising that's gotta be a near 500 mile range.

    ED: and bets on how long before the first FMIC kit comes out? lol
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    first M3 engine since the usdm S50/s52 that doesnt have fine detailing, looks like a bunch of ugly black plastic, where previous ones at least had nicer detailed plastics. other than that, bring on them turbos! im ready for the change, even if it doesnt have the s65 passionate howl.

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    also...bring on BMS and e85 files Click here to enlarge I smell 500rwhp with just a stage 2 + e85 with stock exhaust.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by andrew20195 Click here to enlarge
    No such thing. All it takes is talent, or the money to hire it. And I'm willing to bet there will be plenty of money in that market.
    The current N55 DME is 1024 bit RSA encrypted. Pretty tough to crack.

    Only Cobb and Dinan(?) cracked the previous 256 bit encryption scheme on the previous N55 DME.

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    An oversquare design also allows larger size valves.

    So far no one has reported the diameters of the S55 valves.

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    It will be interesting to watch the aftermarket adopt this engine.

    Really wished they had bumped the displacement up. I wonder what turbos it has...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by maxnix Click here to enlarge
    The current N55 DME is 1024 bit RSA encrypted. Pretty tough to crack.

    Only Cobb and Dinan(?) cracked the previous 256 bit encryption scheme on the previous N55 DME.
    So, basically tuners need to figure out the back door that the NSA convinced RSA to put in all their encryption algorithms?

    Although I see elsewhere that these ECMs can still be "bench flashed".

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    I was reading on N54tech that rob from RB was saying these turbos should yield power/boost "in-between" the size of stock n54 and a RB upgrade. Basically this car is a little stronger than a pump FBO n54 .... stock, IMO.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    I was reading on N54tech that rob from RB was saying these turbos should yield power/boost "in-between" the size of stock n54 and a RB upgrade. Basically this car is a little stronger than a pump FBO n54 .... stock, IMO.
    Rob knows his stuff, but no real sizing has been given at least not that I have seen. A lot of speculating goes on before a car like this is released, most of it ends up falling by the wayside after not too long.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    somehow this whole time i missed that they didn't bump it up to 3.2L

    this makes me super sad.

    and 15.8 gallons of fuel is small on what planet?

    60 liters is HUGE. highway cruising that's gotta be a near 500 mile range.

    ED: and bets on how long before the first FMIC kit comes out? lol
    15.8 gallons is freaking tiny...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    15.8 gallons is freaking tiny...

    compared to a truck?

    it's got a more than large enough range for performance petrol car imo lol.

    you don't want it full to race on anyway.. unless you want to endurance or something maybe.
    boop

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by spool twice Click here to enlarge
    also...bring on BMS and e85 files Click here to enlarge I smell 500rwhp with just a stage 2 + e85 with stock exhaust.
    Let's hope.... The F1x M5/M6 still doesn't have E85 support and probably won't until someone unlocks the DME to adjust the fueling tables. Honestly I won't be too surprised if the power hungry go with an Motec M1 from the get go since it supports DI fueling.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    and 15.8 gallons of fuel is small on what planet?

    60 liters is HUGE. highway cruising that's gotta be a near 500 mile range.

    ED: and bets on how long before the first FMIC kit comes out? lol
    15.8 gallons isn't enough when you get like 4 MPG on that gas guzzling 4L V8/YSI setup Click here to enlarge

    And the real bet is how long until a quality, fair priced Intercooler upgrade comes out? Since it's Air/Water, it's def not gonna be something you can do 1/2 way. Dinan sells an Air/Water upgrade for the 550 (Nothing for the M5/M6), only $2.7k.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    compared to a truck?

    it's got a more than large enough range for performance petrol car imo lol.

    you don't want it full to race on anyway.. unless you want to endurance or something maybe.
    Compared to anything. I remember the e92 and e46 tanks being way too small as well and they were bigger than this off the top of my head. Yes I know this car is more fuel efficient but still.

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