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    Highest HP E46 M3 @undercover

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    From what we can gather, there isn't a higher hp E46 M3. Couple of "1200hp @crankshaft" results have popped up. So we are claiming it for the time being and preparing to go farther.

    The consensus was to stop here and be prepared for carnage. I believe we will go with a short block with billet mains and the same piston and rod combination on a engine stand before going farther. As badly as we want to find the true limits of this engine, its not currently in our customers best interest. We decided to hit the track with this setup/tune-up for now and see what results it will yield. In the meantime begin collecting parts for another engine just to be on the safe side.

    1058 rwhp
    785 rwtrq
    E85
    25 PSI
    .958 correction
    Still haven't revved to redline. I've been asked to stop hereClick here to enlarge There is clearly alot of untapped power in the higher revsClick here to enlarge


    ProEFI Hp calculator, which is tested to match dynojet numbers is 1145rwhp. Thats usually within 1% of accuracy so long as you have set everything up properly. This lines up nicely with other bigger power cars we've done.

    The Setup:
    Saad Racing E46 M3 Turbo Kit
    Saad built engine with 6.5k miles on it at 800+whp(Rods, Pistons, Tool Steel Main and Head Studs), the rest......STOCK!
    ProEFI tuned by Garth@undercover
    ProEFI Lightning Ignition
    Saad Stage 2 Fuel System
    7675 Standard cover Dbb Precision Turbo
    2150 FIC Injectors
    Custom Direct Port Nitrous by Undercover yet to be used
    Tilton Triple Disk
    DSS Axles
    Mason Engineering Sub Frame/Floor Brace and tower brace
    Saad rear control arms
    VAC Motorsports Vanos Delete
    etc......
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    I probably run as much boost as you do fuel pressure

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    Saad Racing E46 M3 Turbo Kit
    Saad built engine with 6.5k miles on it at 800+whp(Rods, Pistons, Tool Steel Main and Head Studs)

    Cost of the above to the average punter ?
    E85 996 TTS RWD
    E39 540i
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    BTW effing great work
    E85 996 TTS RWD
    E39 540i
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    Hell of a job... Congrats!! I'm sure we will see higher numbers soon from you guys...

    But just so you know... Sound Performance did 1071whp and Andreas from Sweden did 1260whp. So I think Sweden has the record. And who knows what dyno graphs Mert can toss in from his experience.

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    The sweedish dyno results are crankshaft and not in a e46 as well. And if I was on Larrys dyno..... It'd made moreClick here to enlarge
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    I probably run as much boost as you do fuel pressure

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
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    Saad Racing E46 M3 Turbo Kit
    Saad built engine with 6.5k miles on it at 800+whp(Rods, Pistons, Tool Steel Main and Head Studs)

    Cost of the above to the average punter ?

    Neither are for the faint wallet unfortunately. This particular combo is around 16k plus 6k for internals and machining on the short block.
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    I probably run as much boost as you do fuel pressure

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    e46 m3

    wow! that's cheap considering your power level is up there you'll definitely beat my GT-R both in the 1/4 or roll and i'm close to $90k in her. You're makin me think guys i'm a lurker here and don't post much until i saw you accomplishment, your location?
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    02 e46 m3 vert t trim 6 speed fully built motor
    03 e46 m3 hpf S2 ProEfi flex fuel SMG
    03 M5 stock
    03 99s tt fully built motor/tranny ProEfi flex fuel
    2010 GT-R ProEfi flex fuel, 2.5 tranny very quick street toy
    09 C6 zo6 stock
    09 Hummer H2
    89 TTA 21k orig miles
    86 Buick T Duttweiller S2
    88 Monte SS 4.1 stroker GN motor 76 dual BB turbo
    87 GN stroker TH 400 10 point cage (fun car)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 2swoosh Click here to enlarge
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    wow! that's cheap considering your power level is up there you'll definitely beat my GT-R both in the 1/4 or roll and i'm close to $90k in her. You're makin me think guys.

    Guess its time to step it upClick here to enlarge
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    I probably run as much boost as you do fuel pressure

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    I did a great job designing this stuff. I'm proud of my students
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    will the SMG survives this power level?
    02 e46 m3 vert t trim 6 speed fully built motor
    03 e46 m3 hpf S2 ProEfi flex fuel SMG
    03 M5 stock
    03 99s tt fully built motor/tranny ProEfi flex fuel
    2010 GT-R ProEfi flex fuel, 2.5 tranny very quick street toy
    09 C6 zo6 stock
    09 Hummer H2
    89 TTA 21k orig miles
    86 Buick T Duttweiller S2
    88 Monte SS 4.1 stroker GN motor 76 dual BB turbo
    87 GN stroker TH 400 10 point cage (fun car)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 2swoosh Click here to enlarge
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    will the SMG survives this power level?
    The SMG is the same mechanical transmission. It simply has hydraulics to shift it and engage the clutch. So the answer is yes, it will.
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    I probably run as much boost as you do fuel pressure

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by undercover Click here to enlarge
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    The SMG is the same mechanical transmission. It simply has hydraulics to shift it and engage the clutch. So the answer is yes, it will.
    Are you using a standalone TCU for the transmission? I'm wondering how easy/hard it would be to put it in a 335i

    Awesome job BTW! Too bad it couldn't have been taken to redline....but I understand the owner's POV.
    FOR SALE: 09' e92 Montego Blue 335i Proven Power Single Turbo $36,900 OBO http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...ED-LOW-MILEAGE

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    Nope. We let the factory computer control it. However I have a customer working on smg control through ProEFI now. I wish I had more time to devote to R&D. If it was going in a 335 why wouldn't you stay manual?

    Probably not that difficult. But man it would be expensive. I'd lean towards a e9x m3 with twin turbosClick here to enlarge
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    I probably run as much boost as you do fuel pressure

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by undercover Click here to enlarge
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    Nope. We let the factory computer control it. However I have a customer working on smg control through ProEFI now. I wish I had more time to devote to R&D. If it was going in a 335 why wouldn't you stay manual?

    Probably not that difficult. But man it would be expensive. I'd lean towards a e9x m3 with twin turbosClick here to enlarge
    I have a 6AT, manual would be a step back, and I'd only want to swap transmissions if it were to be a higher performance faster shifting auto like the e46 SMG or the e92 DCT. Other option is to try building the 6AT which no one has done with much success yet.

    About how much would it cost to build the SMG to be "bulletproof" or at least hold 700-800 ft/lb of torque at a dragstrip?
    FOR SALE: 09' e92 Montego Blue 335i Proven Power Single Turbo $36,900 OBO http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...ED-LOW-MILEAGE

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    It'll do it stock with a good clutch
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    I probably run as much boost as you do fuel pressure

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    That's interesting
    FOR SALE: 09' e92 Montego Blue 335i Proven Power Single Turbo $36,900 OBO http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...ED-LOW-MILEAGE

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    i'm highly considering doin a killer set up i have two e46 m3s one (03) with hpf S2 already has a ProEfi set up but with stockish motor and newer SMG and one (02 vert) with a fully built motor 6 speed but has a T Trim blower but no ProEfi, so i'm thinkin transferring the hpf kit and ProEfi to the 02 since the motor can support the hp build, i'll be happy with 800 solid reliable rwhp if you don't mind it's a vert and show car condition. i'll come down to your shop and inspect your facility as well as check your M3 with the mogu hp. PM sent.
    02 e46 m3 vert t trim 6 speed fully built motor
    03 e46 m3 hpf S2 ProEfi flex fuel SMG
    03 M5 stock
    03 99s tt fully built motor/tranny ProEfi flex fuel
    2010 GT-R ProEfi flex fuel, 2.5 tranny very quick street toy
    09 C6 zo6 stock
    09 Hummer H2
    89 TTA 21k orig miles
    86 Buick T Duttweiller S2
    88 Monte SS 4.1 stroker GN motor 76 dual BB turbo
    87 GN stroker TH 400 10 point cage (fun car)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 2swoosh Click here to enlarge
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    i'm highly considering doin a killer set up i have two e46 m3s one (03) with hpf S2 already has a ProEfi set up but with stockish motor and newer SMG and one (02 vert) with a fully built motor 6 speed but has a T Trim blower but no ProEfi, so i'm thinkin transferring the hpf kit and ProEfi to the 02 since the motor can support the hp build, i'll be happy with 800 solid reliable rwhp if you don't mind it's a vert and show car condition. i'll come down to your shop and inspect your facility as well as check your M3 with the mogu hp. PM sent.
    Sounds like you could save some $ being you already have what it takes. 800 honest may be a stretch withbthe hpf manifold. But we can sure as hell tryClick here to enlarge
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    I probably run as much boost as you do fuel pressure

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    Andreas holds the record with a Phoenix Yellow E46 M3. Iirc, he did something like 1140 early 2013 and somewhere around Aug, he was around that mentioned 1200whp.

    Great results none the less.

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    This is my 990 whp on dyno Dynamics back in 2010, march. Date is shown on left bottom. Measured in shoot out mode which reads 15 % less than dyno jet. This is 1150 whp on dno jet.

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    This 990 whp Dynamics was out of 3,2L and from a less developed S54.
    When I road tested the above power on road I was disappointed, very late spool.

    During the 4 years we managed to improve S54, now it is 3500 cc, 12;5 compression, custom cams, custom head work....
    As of today, low and mid range has improved dramatically. I dynoed up to 6000 rpm to see the difference. Thanks GOD low / mid range improved from 180 whp up to 280 whp. My S54 B35 hits 15 psi in 2nd gear @ 3700 rpm, 30 psi @ 4500 rpm with twin 62 mm turbos as of today.

    BTW I like your Project, keep up the good work. Other power, focus on traction, traction. These RWD M3s suffer from loss of traction. Not the strongest M3 will be the fastest, but the M3 with best traction will be the fastestClick here to enlarge
    E36 M3 Euro TT 60-130 mph 4.49 s
    E46 M3 3.6L TT 60-130 mph 4.22 s
    All Wheel drive M3 Twin Turbo
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    Daaamn! So this is what you were telling me about on *************!? Now time to find a 1k hp Benz to run with it for the BMW vs Benz shootout coming up!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by undercover Click here to enlarge
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    The sweedish dyno results are crankshaft and not in a e46 as well. And if I was on Larrys dyno..... It'd made moreClick here to enlarge
    The Sweedish numbers are meassured at the hubs with a dynapack and they read lower as a dynoyet,i have seen enough tests between these two dyno,s with the same car.

    The e46 from Sweden did 9.xx with 800+Whp.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by daytonaM3 Click here to enlarge
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    The Sweedish numbers are meassured at the hubs with a dynapack and they read lower as a dynoyet,i have seen enough tests between these two dyno,s with the same car.

    The e46 from Sweden did 9.xx with 800+Whp.
    Swedes are very good at BMW turbos.
    E36 M3 Euro TT 60-130 mph 4.49 s
    E46 M3 3.6L TT 60-130 mph 4.22 s
    All Wheel drive M3 Twin Turbo
    997 TT



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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
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    Daaamn! So this is what you were telling me about on *************!? Now time to find a 1k hp Benz to run with it for the BMW vs Benz shootout coming up!
    this shootout is limited to Benz vs Bmw only and no other cars cars? when where is the event?
    02 e46 m3 vert t trim 6 speed fully built motor
    03 e46 m3 hpf S2 ProEfi flex fuel SMG
    03 M5 stock
    03 99s tt fully built motor/tranny ProEfi flex fuel
    2010 GT-R ProEfi flex fuel, 2.5 tranny very quick street toy
    09 C6 zo6 stock
    09 Hummer H2
    89 TTA 21k orig miles
    86 Buick T Duttweiller S2
    88 Monte SS 4.1 stroker GN motor 76 dual BB turbo
    87 GN stroker TH 400 10 point cage (fun car)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by daytonaM3 Click here to enlarge
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    The Sweedish numbers are meassured at the hubs with a dynapack and they read lower as a dynoyet,i have seen enough tests between these two dyno,s with the same car.

    The e46 from Sweden did 9.xx with 800+Whp.
    Well damn, if they did 9.xx with 800whp... I can only imagine what they'd run on 1000whp.

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