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    so you want a 800 whp turbo kit if I can just have 630whp.


    I keep seeing turbo upgrades, engine upgrades ...


    but more importantly, no one has to present day been able to fix seven years after the creation of n54


    WHERE MORE FUEL!


    IT'S TIME TO BUY THE NEW M3 ...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    exactly!

    they work amazingly in moderate to moderate-heavy rain... but the 'sensitivity' slider thing does absolutely nothing (seriously, not hard guys)... in heavy rain, they don't go fast enough so you have to push it up manuallly...

    in light rain you have to pulse it on and off pressing the button, or it does these random 'ghost wipes' for no reason...

    it really only has 3 settings, rather than infinite variability >_<.. sorta too fast, just right, and sorta too slow. lol.

    you SHOULD be able to leave it on at all times, and have it not wipe without rain.. but nooope.

    ED: sorry sticky, i won't talk about the rain sensors any more LOL.
    I agree. In a light mist they never work reliably. The droplet size has something to do with it. I think it shoots IR light out through the windshield, and the droplets reflect some of that light back towards a light sensor. Smaller droplets don't seem to be detected as well as larger ones. It might have to do with their size or shape (less convex).
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    anyone test how fast the rain sensors whipe the windshield?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by litxus Click here to enlarge
    Sticky, maybe you should make a poll at what cost people would buy the new turbo kitClick here to enlarge I have a feeling there will be a very low number buying 10k+ kits (that's probably what E90 will cost in few years if not less).
    Poll's are almost worthless because people will just pick the lowest price and even when the time rolls around to pay they still won't.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carcars Click here to enlarge
    so you want a 800 whp turbo kit if I can just have 630whp.


    I keep seeing turbo upgrades, engine upgrades ...


    but more importantly, no one has to present day been able to fix seven years after the creation of n54


    WHERE MORE FUEL!


    IT'S TIME TO BUY THE NEW M3 ...
    You mean the previous M3. The new one will still have the same problems.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carcars Click here to enlarge
    WHERE MORE FUEL!


    IT'S TIME TO BUY THE NEW M3 ...
    DI Problems -- The N54 has it, the N55 will have it, the 997.2 (PDK) Turbos have it & so will 991 Turbos, the C7 Vette will have it soon, so will the F1x M5/M6 (when tuning gets more aggressive) and F3x M3/M4, if the Lambo Huracan actually has DI it'll have it too.

    I'm interested to see how AMS is over coming the DI problem with their R8 TT's and when/how Motec releases DI support on their M1 EMS.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    if the Lambo Huracan actually has DI it'll have it too.
    The Gallardo already did so of course it does.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The Gallardo already did so of course it does.
    Well the Aventador was supposed to be DI, but in the end they went old school at stayed PI. It was also supposed to be DCT, but they went Single Clutch for production as well.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    Well the Aventador was supposed to be DI, but in the end they went old school at stayed PI. It was also supposed to be DCT, but they went Single Clutch for production as well.
    Well the Huracan is direct injected because it's the same V10 they were already using and they just added the dual clutch from the R8 facelift. So there you go.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Well the Huracan is direct injected because it's the same V10 they were already using and they just added the dual clutch from the R8 facelift. So there you go.
    Well then it goes back to my last sentence, that I'm interested to see how AMS is overcoming the DI problem in their R8 TTs.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    Well then it goes back to my last sentence, that I'm interested to see how AMS is overcoming the DI problem in their R8 TTs.
    Ok

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    DI Problems -- The N54 has it, the N55 will have it, the 997.2 (PDK) Turbos have it & so will 991 Turbos, the C7 Vette will have it soon, so will the F1x M5/M6 (when tuning gets more aggressive) and F3x M3/M4, if the Lambo Huracan actually has DI it'll have it too.

    I'm interested to see how AMS is over coming the DI problem with their R8 TT's and when/how Motec releases DI support on their M1 EMS.
    It's a damn good thing for us all of those guys will be having DI problems. When a company steps up for them odds are they will also be looking at other markets and the N54 is a well established market in need of a fueling solution so we have a shot at being near first in line.

    Of course, there are solutions already being developed as we speak so we may not have to wait for new players in the game.
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    Just bc one platforms DI gets figured out, doesn't mean the flood gates open. We have the BMW dme, and not all the ecu/dme are created equal. I hope for the n54's sake the fuel solution comes, but I'm a little worried money/time will be spent on the new s55 instead.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    Just bc one platforms DI gets figured out, doesn't mean the flood gates open. We have the BMW dme, and not all the ecu/dme are created equal. I hope for the n54's sake the fuel solution comes, but I'm a little worried money/time will be spent on the new s55 instead.
    hopefully not.. N54/55 should be the bread and butter, much more common, at an enthusiast price point

    M3/M4, less common, some owners yes, will be willing to go 10/10 like sticky.. most won't

    then again, if 8-10k for a turbo kit for N54 is ok, 20k for S55? hahaha
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    hopefully not.. N54/55 should be the bread and butter, much more common, at an enthusiast price point

    M3/M4, less common, some owners yes, will be willing to go 10/10 like sticky.. most won't

    then again, if 8-10k for a turbo kit for N54 is ok, 20k for S55? hahaha
    The m platforms get more attention and money thrown at them from tuning companies, sorry but it's true. Also, dropping 20k on a kit is more likely on a 80-90k car.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    The m platforms get more attention and money thrown at them from tuning companies, sorry but it's true. Also, dropping 20k on a kit is more likely on a 80-90k car.
    Yeah i know, it's just not the best way to go imo, ditching the growing N5x market for the S55 prioritised...

    it's like saying 'oh toyota released the IS-F.. lets ditch the supra' (well.. imagine the IS-F was turbo and tuneable haha), it's just bad decision making lol. More long term money in the cheaper easily tunable platform for the masses.

    I can see the S55 getting attention QUICKLY, and that's GREAT.... but dropping N54/N55 support? mmm.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    hopefully not.. N54/55 should be the bread and butter, much more common, at an enthusiast price point

    M3/M4, less common, some owners yes, will be willing to go 10/10 like sticky.. most won't

    then again, if 8-10k for a turbo kit for N54 is ok, 20k for S55? hahaha
    I agree with bob.... The M3 will always receive the most aftermarket attention in the entire BMW product line. Not only because it's the M3, but because that's where the money is. The M3 owners have never had a problem dropping big money on mods -- $2k for an X-Pipe, $10-15k for a supercharger kit (not even installed), etc.

    The N54 won't be forgotten since it has a very low entry point and is a more explored platform, but I certainly expect the S55 to go through a much faster aftermarket growth.


    BUT this goes back to my original post in this thread -- Is there an update on the Fuel Hat for the N54? It's great and all that we're using the OEM Pump + Inline Booster or the Walbro 450 swap, but a new fuel hat would def open the doors for a lot more powerful options (Bosch 044, Magnafuel 750, Aeromotive 340, etc) and might show the HPFP isn't tapped out yet.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    The m platforms get more attention and money thrown at them from tuning companies, sorry but it's true. Also, dropping 20k on a kit is more likely on a 80-90k car.
    M owners are more likely to mod and spend money.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    I agree with bob.... The M3 will always receive the most aftermarket attention in the entire BMW product line. Not only because it's the M3, but because that's where the money is. The M3 owners have never had a problem dropping big money on mods -- $2k for an X-Pipe, $10-15k for a supercharger kit (not even installed), etc.

    The N54 won't be forgotten since it has a very low entry point and is a more explored platform, but I certainly expect the S55 to go through a much faster aftermarket growth.


    BUT this goes back to my original post in this thread -- Is there an update on the Fuel Hat for the N54? It's great and all that we're using the OEM Pump + Inline Booster or the Walbro 450 swap, but a new fuel hat would def open the doors for a lot more powerful options (Bosch 044, Magnafuel 750, Aeromotive 340, etc) and might show the HPFP isn't tapped out yet.
    Yeah, i get that.. but there hasn't really been a non-M platrom that's WORTH spending money on, for fun+fasts. N20 N55, N54, they're all worth spending RnD on.. even the M54, sure it supercharges FAIRLY well, but how many people will buy a supercharger for their NA BMW, vs upgraded turbos etc.?

    how big is the S65 market compared to the N54/5? how many JB4's and cobbs have been sold (and evolves etc.) compared to the tunes available for the S65?

    yeah you're right, that also fully holds true for the S55 given it's also easily tuned, FI etc. so i 100% agree that the aftermarket for it will be HUGE, but the N55/54 is logically a bread and butter platform for the BMW tuning/aftermarket shops is what i'm thinking. for every 1 person putting a 10k kit on their S55, and a $2k exhaust... how many put a cheaper kit on their N54/5? and a $500-$1k exhaust?

    and what's a fuel hat?
    https://www.google.com.au/search?q=f...w=1680&bih=924

    why would we need that? how is that a restriction?

    you know the walbro 450 flows WAY more than the 044 for cheaper money, that's why the 044 wasn't used.

    the 450 flows WAY more than the platform has made so far, there's pretty well no doubt that the HPFP hasn't tapped out.
    boop

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    Yeah, i get that.. but there hasn't really been a non-M platrom that's WORTH spending money on, for fun+fasts. N20 N55, N54, they're all worth spending RnD on.. even the M54, sure it supercharges FAIRLY well, but how many people will buy a supercharger for their NA BMW, vs upgraded turbos etc.?

    how big is the S65 market compared to the N54/5? how many JB4's and cobbs have been sold (and evolves etc.) compared to the tunes available for the S65?
    yeah you're right, that also fully holds true for the S55 given it's also easily tuned, FI etc. so i 100% agree that the aftermarket for it will be HUGE, but the N55/54 is logically a bread and butter platform for the BMW tuning/aftermarket shops is what i'm thinking. for every 1 person putting a 10k kit on their S55, and a $2k exhaust... how many put a cheaper kit on their N54/5? and a $500-$1k exhaust?

    and what's a fuel hat?
    https://www.google.com.au/search?<br...w=1680&bih=924

    why would we need that? how is that a restriction?

    you know the walbro 450 flows WAY more than the 044 for cheaper money, that's why the 044 wasn't used.

    the 450 flows WAY more than the platform has made so far, there's pretty well no doubt that the HPFP hasn't tapped out.
    I'm not saying the n54 tuning market is smaller, I'm just saying when it comes to breaking barriers, like fueling on the n54, where it will take a company time, money, r&d, etc, it will most likely happen faster on a m platform. If the n54 was in the e92 m3 I bet it would be much further along...
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    Motec M182 standalone already supports DI and there's already an F30 N55 race car with a custom twin scroll running around with it in Australia. We might be playing with it out down the road on one of our shop cars. Only problem is, its not cheap Click here to enlarge

    For fast road project cars though the Motec 182 is in many ways a step backwards over the OEM Bosch MEV, MED units. They're much more powerful controllers than the Motec. This is coming from the racing team that has actually managed to implement it on their F30.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    DI Problems -- The N54 has it, the N55 will have it, the 997.2 (PDK) Turbos have it & so will 991 Turbos, the C7 Vette will have it soon, so will the F1x M5/M6 (when tuning gets more aggressive) and F3x M3/M4, if the Lambo Huracan actually has DI it'll have it too.
    GM will not let something like a DI fuel pump hold back new LT1 crate motor (or C7) sales to people wishing to build thousand+whp setups. It will be solved for them just as fast as it becomes a problem.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by V8Bait Click here to enlarge
    GM will not let something like a DI fuel pump hold back new LT1 crate motor (or C7) sales to people wishing to build thousand+whp setups. It will be solved for them just as fast as it becomes a problem.
    GM will definitely be more proactive with this. One aspect of them at least that is cool.

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    The N63/S63 run dual high pressure pumps. But for the N54, the most likely scnerio IMHO, is a retrofit kit that adds a second high pressure pump off the belt drive somewhere.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@PTF Click here to enlarge
    Motec M182 standalone already supports DI and there's already an F30 N55 race car with a custom twin scroll running around with it in Australia. We might be playing with it out down the road on one of our shop cars. Only problem is, its not cheap Click here to enlarge
    I was talking to Garth (Undercover) about this. Unfortunately there are 2 main problems with this:
    1. Price
    2. That it completely renders the OEM features (NAV/Dash/Climate Control/etc) useless. With a racecar you don't care because you'd rather use a digital display, but this isn't something for a street car


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