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    Intercooler Comparison (BMW Stock vs. Wagner EVO1 vs. HPF vs. Mosselman)

    Hey guys I found an interesting article that I think others might enjoy reading and discussing...

    I will let you guys do the reading...but will also mention that the "R&D" and article is put together by one of the manufacturers included in the comparison named Mosselman Turbo...Whom by no surprise wins the shootout...

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    pretty crazy. i've never heard of a mosselman FMIC. LOL huh. interesting for sure.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    pretty crazy. i've never heard of a mosselman FMIC. LOL huh. interesting for sure.
    Haven't heard of them either...but then again I'm not in the market for a FMIC.. Definitely an interesting read tho! Click here to enlarge
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    Never heard of that company but the end tanks sure look nice from that one picture.

    Interesting read thanks OP
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by uniter Click here to enlarge
    Study by cigarette company finds smoking non-addictive, healthy.
    lol +1

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    Looks alot like an AMS IC
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    Would have rather seen ETS and Helix tested, but ellwell. I've ETS tests, and from I remember would be better than all of them, except in pressure drop category, it still drops a bit more than the stock, to be expected obvisouly lol.
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    Sorry, meant AMS, not ER.

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    Never heard of Mosselman, but there is an old Helix vs Other FMIC "comparison" somewhere on E90
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    Thanks for sharing!

    So pressure-drop might be more importent than cooling capacity?

    There are also numbers here:


    • Turbogenetics Spearco claims 0.2:


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    • Mishimoto claims about the same loses as the stock intercooler:

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    • The new Wagner Competition Series also has numbers compared to the two core sizes und two core-types:

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by brusk Click here to enlarge
    Looks alot like an AMS IC
    I was about to say they haven't tested the AMS FMIC.

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    I have a Wagner FMIC, gained 20whp with it and my temps are ice cold, no where near stock. Second best mod after the JB4. So basically... I call BS. Elaborate work there though.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BigHoncho Click here to enlarge
    Thanks for sharing!

    So pressure-drop might be more importent than cooling capacity?
    It's a fine balance between the two... A core that suffers from poor IAT reduction is a waste of money (that's basically the primary function of an FMIC mod), and a core that has tons of pressure drop illustrates a poor construction/design.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    It's a fine balance between the two... A core that suffers from poor IAT reduction is a waste of money (that's basically the primary function of an FMIC mod), and a core that has tons of pressure drop illustrates a poor construction/design.
    But high pressure drop will naturally accompany a high temp drop. Its impossible not to. Which is another reason why its suspect that the temp drop is the lowest with the pressure drop being the least.

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    I have hpf fmic, from 100-200 acceleration(vbox) .6 sec better than the stock jb4 at 14.5 psi, i can do many hard pulls without rising the temp high, i don't believe any thing of the graphs rooringhusky post, i think it's a way to market their product

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    how much does the Mosselman fmic cost ?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 135idct Click here to enlarge
    I have hpf fmic, from 100-200 acceleration(vbox) .6 sec better than the stock jb4 at 14.5 psi, i can do many hard pulls without rising the temp high, i don't believe any thing of the graphs rooringhusky post, i think it's a way to market their product
    Same day, same tempature, same street, same weather? Its hard to measure those tiny effects on the street. Could be anything else.

    Its always questionable when vendors do publish such numbers, but I think they are rather interesting.

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    Makes some sense. The ams has the best flowing endtanks of any fmic on the market today, imo.

    BUT, as someone already stated, tests performed by the company that produces or is advertising their own product, should be taken with a grain of salt.
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    Completly agree with this statement.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
    But high pressure drop will naturally accompany a high temp drop. Its impossible not to. Which is another reason why its suspect that the temp drop is the lowest with the pressure drop being the least.
    Not always though. Pressure drop suffers from e.g. bad end tanks and those bad end tanks don't contribute anything to the temp drop.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
    I have a Wagner FMIC, gained 20whp with it and my temps are ice cold, no where near stock. Second best mod after the JB4. So basically... I call BS. Elaborate work there though.
    Wagner looks a bit worse in this testing, than what it is, since its large frontal area becomes an asset in real speeds that the blowers are not able to fully simulate.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    Not always though. Pressure drop suffers from e.g. bad end tanks and those bad end tanks don't contribute anything to the temp drop.
    Sorry, I should have been more clear. A high temperature drop will always lead to high pressure drop. I realize other factors come into play with pressure drop like end tanks though. I know the Wagner flows a lot more than stock and has a much better end tank design then stock. Additionally it cools a lot better than stock and makes more HP than stock. Knowing four things it would be impossible to come to the results they did unless they set up each test completely different than the others to get the results they wanted. The heat soak test for instance could be with no flow over it and purely based on weight of the metal using a high gear or a load dyno. I think that's too much credit though, likely the numbers are adjusted.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BigHoncho Click here to enlarge
    Same day, same tempature, same street, same weather? Its hard to measure those tiny effects on the street. Could be anything else.

    Its always questionable when vendors do publish such numbers, but I think they are rather interesting.
    yes same temperature, same street, same weather

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