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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Anthony@FFTEC Click here to enlarge
    It absolutely can hurt an engine...

    No crankcase ventilation will cause ring flutter potentially breaking ringlands.
    That is what I'm thinking happened at the moment. Will know for sure soon enough. Thinking with the single turbo dropping the flapper valve all together might be a good idea. It will allow a higher volume of blow by out towards the OCC with the only trade off being vacuum at partial throttle which I don't think is as big of a deal. And it will eliminate a potential failure point that is difficult to spot.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Anthony@FFTEC Click here to enlarge
    It absolutely can hurt an engine...

    No crankcase ventilation will cause ring flutter potentially breaking ringlands.
    Yeah sure Anthony, and you have seen it how many times?How many engines have you built anthony. Actually have long have you been working on performance cars period? We have been building turbo motors since the 70's. Terry, you did not hurt the motor with a little crankcase pressure. Sure maybe a car running upwards of 30-40 psi its possible to hurt a ring, at 21 psi, no chance. We had a diesel DI motor recently that have MUCH higher combustion pressures then a gasoline DI motor that the machine shop accidentally swapped the valve covers and put 2 on with no vents. The crankcase pressure was so bad it blew the oil pan gasket and valve cover gaskets out, not to mention pushed oil out of everywhere. Engine damage, nope. I would be SHOCKED if it hurt anything. As I said we have run up to 40 psi on these motors with issues. Sure take the 15 minutes and do a comp test if you are really worried about it. But the engine is fine. Do not let people scare you with misinformation.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Yeah sure Anthony, and you have seen it how many times?How many engines have you built anthony. Actually have long have you been working on performance cars period? We have been building turbo motors since the 70's. Terry, you did not hurt the motor with a little crankcase pressure. Sure maybe a car running upwards of 30-40 psi its possible to hurt a ring, at 21 psi, no chance. We had a diesel DI motor recently that have MUCH higher combustion pressures then a gasoline DI motor that the machine shop accidentally swapped the valve covers and put 2 on with no vents. The crankcase pressure was so bad it blew the oil pan gasket and valve cover gaskets out, not to mention pushed oil out of everywhere. Engine damage, nope. I would be SHOCKED if it hurt anything. As I said we have run up to 40 psi on these motors with issues. Sure take the 15 minutes and do a comp test if you are really worried about it. But the engine is fine. Do not let people scare you with misinformation.
    lol, I used to put together motors in my apartment living room in college and change head gaskets in the car port. No one is going to scare me in to doing anything. But I normally have a good sense when something is broken. Not overly worried about it but will leak down test to confirm and go from there when I am able to get back to it. Need to get the E series N55 back end flash done, resolve whatever is wrong with Jeff's car, and get the N63 JB4 prototype done, before I go on a goose chase with the E92.

    Just annoyed it was a self-inflected wound that kept me from racing the car last weekend after all the work FFTEC and myself did on it. Although in a way it was a blessing in disguise as I got to spend more time helping out the many customers in attendance (there were around 12 turbo BMWs there all running our tuning... Not a single car running competitors tuning) and also got some good 1/2 mile logging done with the F30 N55 335 which ran flawlessly @ 18psi on E50.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Yeah sure Anthony, and you have seen it how many times?How many engines have you built anthony. Actually have long have you been working on performance cars period? We have been building turbo motors since the 70's. Terry, you did not hurt the motor with a little crankcase pressure. Sure maybe a car running upwards of 30-40 psi its possible to hurt a ring, at 21 psi, no chance. We had a diesel DI motor recently that have MUCH higher combustion pressures then a gasoline DI motor that the machine shop accidentally swapped the valve covers and put 2 on with no vents. The crankcase pressure was so bad it blew the oil pan gasket and valve cover gaskets out, not to mention pushed oil out of everywhere. Engine damage, nope. I would be SHOCKED if it hurt anything. As I said we have run up to 40 psi on these motors with issues. Sure take the 15 minutes and do a comp test if you are really worried about it. But the engine is fine. Do not let people scare you with misinformation.
    Only One Tony. That's it. Been working with performance cars for 3 weeks or so now; Terrys car's being the first. Only tuning for about 3 or 4 hours - lol ..

    Thanks for your inquiry.

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    Anyone curious about ring flutter, or its cause can surely google it to find causes -one of which being high pressure on the bottom of the rings. I listed it as a possible problem which can be caused by high Crankcase pressure, especially on a gasoline engine -diesel is not even close to similar.

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    Tony is digging his own grave always smack talking other venders.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    Well..... When's the 135i getting done? Lol
    The kit for the 135 is just about done being produced. Two other top mount kits are in production pipline. Terrys car is schedualed for final installation happening within the coming weeks.

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    Ditch the valve and vent to the atmosphere through the catch can. Good to go. If the smell annoys the blonde in the passenger seat... wait you took that out anyway.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by V8Bait Click here to enlarge
    Ditch the valve and vent to the atmosphere through the catch can. Good to go. If the smell annoys the blonde in the passenger seat... wait you took that out anyway.
    If she's annoyed over that, you should swap the blonde as well.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Anthony@FFTEC Click here to enlarge
    The kit for the 135 is just about done being produced. Two other top mount kits are in production pipline. Terrys car is schedualed for final installation happening within the coming weeks.

    Thanks!
    Hoping one of those top mounts is mine. I already got my turbo and wastegates in
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    Ill put some pics of the progress up. If you've paid into a kit, then one of them is definately yours. Click here to enlarge
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    I doubt CCOP would seriously damage an engine at a couple PSI. I see it all the time at work and we correct whatever the cause is and then it runs fine.

    Probably just the old PTE leaking some oil. Do a compression check and then move onto a better turbo.
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    Ran a 1" line off the valve cover to a 3/4" adapter in to the OCC. Plenty of flow now. On the OCC outlet using the FFTEC 5/8" line. Down the road I'll upgrade it to 3/4". Lots of blow by still so won't be running it open. Smoking out the tailpipe is bad enough. Smoking out the engine bay AND tailpipe would be embarrassing. Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Linracing Click here to enlarge
    Tony is digging his own grave always smack talking other venders.
    The market will settle all of this. Let them talk...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Anthony@FFTEC Click here to enlarge
    The kit for the 135 is just about done being produced. Two other top mount kits are in production pipline. Terrys car is schedualed for final installation happening within the coming weeks.

    Thanks!
    the 335i kit won't fit in the 135i?

    would like to know if u will offer single midpipe as an option with the kit?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Actually have long have you been working on performance cars period? We have been building turbo motors since the 70's.
    Weren't you born in the 70's? Early 1975 to be precise?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Yeah sure Anthony, and you have seen it how many times?How many engines have you built anthony. Actually have long have you been working on performance cars period? We have been building turbo motors since the 70's. Terry, you did not hurt the motor with a little crankcase pressure. Sure maybe a car running upwards of 30-40 psi its possible to hurt a ring, at 21 psi, no chance. We had a diesel DI motor recently that have MUCH higher combustion pressures then a gasoline DI motor that the machine shop accidentally swapped the valve covers and put 2 on with no vents. The crankcase pressure was so bad it blew the oil pan gasket and valve cover gaskets out, not to mention pushed oil out of everywhere. Engine damage, nope. I would be SHOCKED if it hurt anything. As I said we have run up to 40 psi on these motors with issues. Sure take the 15 minutes and do a comp test if you are really worried about it. But the engine is fine. Do not let people scare you with misinformation.
    Why so confrontational? Like every other post?
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    Ack.

    Terry it sounds like a broken ringland Click here to enlarge I really hope not though.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Anthony@FFTEC Click here to enlarge
    Ack.

    Terry it sounds like a broken ringland Click here to enlarge I really hope not though.
    No biggie. Runs well enough to get my solenoid testing, etc, done. Sent you an email on what I'm looking for with a stronger shortblock. Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wescuddles Click here to enlarge
    Why so confrontational? Like every other post?
    In all fairness Anthony made the first post clearly disagreeing with with Tony and telling him he was wrong...only to find out a couple posts later he pretty has no personal experience....
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by V8Bait Click here to enlarge
    Ditch the valve and vent to the atmosphere through the catch can. Good to go. If the smell annoys the blonde in the passenger seat... wait you took that out anyway.
    We modified our OCC to be Vent to Atmostphere on the stage 3 car from day one. Never got one whiff of oil smell nor smoke from the engine bay. Also to answer people who say I am confrontational towards Anthony. I think everyone is forgetting when he came into every one of my stage 3 threads pretending like he didn't work for FFTEC, bashing, trolling, and trash talking to no end. Then when he was found to work there, he disappeared, he is a kid with very limited experience, who has now become the voice for FFTEC on this forum and is trying to fool everyone into thinking he has a massive amount of experience. Exactly what do yo do for FFTEC anthony? Do you fabricate, build motors, tune, diagnose, etc? We would all like to know since you are portraying yourself a very knowledgeable person, it would be nice to know exactly how much experience you have for a reference point.

    Also, I hate to be the one who is erring on the side of logic here, but if terry does have a busted ring land, the most obvious cause would be when the reference hose fell off and boost spiked to 30 psi+, not 21 psi with a plugged PCV, it also could be a combo of the two. 30 PSI plugged PCV, but 21 psi and plugged PCV, the odds of that breaking a ring land are very slim. We have quite a bit of experience with extreme cylinder pressures, crankcase pressure, and cast pistons due to the diesels we work on. I will not say its not remotely possible the low boost and PCV did it, but the boost spike is a much more likely suspect, detonation is what breaks ring lands 99.9% of the time. Either way, BLOWS that the engine might be damaged...Click here to enlarge

    Edit: Here is a thread on this exact topic from a Honda Forum. When the question is asked, of course people with limited experience jump in and tell the OP oh yeah thats it, then pictures of the piston are shown, and by page 2 of the thread the more experienced members are all saying exactly what I am saying. CCP didn't break the ring land, detonation did. We wont know if Terry even has a broken ringland until he performs some tests.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    We modified our OCC to be Vent to Atmostphere on the stage 3 car from day one. Never got one whiff of oil smell nor smoke from the engine bay. Also to answer people who say I am confrontational towards Anthony. I think everyone is forgetting when he came into every one of my stage 3 threads pretending like he didn't work for FFTEC, bashing, trolling, and trash talking to no end. Then when he was found to work there, he disappeared, he is a kid with very limited experience, who has now become the voice for FFTEC on this forum and is trying to fool everyone into thinking he has a massive amount of experience. Exactly what do yo do for FFTEC anthony? Do you fabricate, build motors, tune, diagnose, etc? We would all like to know since you are portraying yourself a very knowledgeable person, it would be nice to know exactly how much experience you have for a reference point.

    Also, I hate to be the one who is erring on the side of logic here, but if terry does have a busted ring land, the most obvious cause would be when the reference hose fell off and boost spiked to 30 psi+, not 21 psi with a plugged PCV, it also could be a combo of the two. 30 PSI plugged PCV, but 21 psi and plugged PCV, the odds of that breaking a ring land are very slim. We have quite a bit of experience with extreme cylinder pressures, crankcase pressure, and cast pistons due to the diesels we work on. I will not say its not remotely possible the low boost and PCV did it, but the boost spike is a much more likely suspect. Either way, BLOWS that the engine might be damaged...Click here to enlarge
    The OEM PCV flapper is definitely fused/stuck shut. Should have caught it earlier as this car has always had a dry OCC. Now we know why. So just as a note to others, this is a potential failure point to monitor.

    The tuning has been pretty conservative at 19-20psi, ~E20 fuel, 8-10 degrees advance, most of the time with meth on the road. It's always possible it was knocking but it would surprise me as the logs were all clean. Even when boost spiked to 35psi+ pre-throttle (probably ~26psi at the engine) on the dyno I didn't hear/see any signs of knock. I was doing a lot of NLS shifting/tuning though perhaps its leaning out too much post shift. Perhaps it was pushing oil in to combustion and preignited. Either way I'm going to keep beating on it and we'll see how long it holds together. Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by klipseracer Click here to enlarge
    Terry, shoot a huge wet shot into the car if you're going to burn it up anyway.
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