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    Things I've never liked are all that hot piping, and your moving all that weight up and forward. Things you never really want to do on a car your trying to keep cool and handle good. I know these things look worse on paper than in real life but I would prefer as little piping as possible and keep the weight low and rearward.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    dont know where the $20k reference is coming from. is N54 cheaper to mod, yes, is it more powerful, yup. not an m3, wont be, different cars
    last time I looked at super charger kits for the e9x M, they were upwards of 20k. As far as never being an M, who gives a $#@! the non M faster and handles better...for a lower price!

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    especially on a turbo manifold. more piping = more lag. longer runners are usually present on top mount and forward facing manifolds though. just the nature of the beast.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by brusk Click here to enlarge
    Things I've never liked are all that hot piping, and your moving all that weight up and forward. Things you never really want to do on a car your trying to keep cool and handle good. I know these things look worse on paper than in real life but I would prefer as little piping as possible and keep the weight low and rearward.
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    i really can't wait to see your ST make some runs!!!!

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Maybe but the N54 w/ larger turbos hold their own against supercharged M3s just fine. Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mycoupe Click here to enlarge
    the non M faster and handles better
    are you sure it handles better?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    I agree but lets get real here. A twin turbo setup w/ cast manifolds, etc, is going to be a very sweet setup. Vargas' setup looks nice too for a fabricated twin. But neither is really going to be comparable to the FFTEC pricing or install process. And demand for kits is only going to go up as the cars get older. I also think there is room for prices to come down on the single kits once they pick one design and push forward with it with a higher volume of cars.
    I'm doing a custom twin scroll setup top mount @Terry@BMS. 6766 is what I'm looking at or a gtx42. Idk if you're familiar with DEEDS Performance, but they're helping me up with the kit. Top mount t4 TS with 4" exhaust all the way through. Looking maybe to make a production kit for only hardware around 3k. So Terry I'll need your help with tuning cause JB4 is the only way to go...
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    Sounds interesting. Tuning won't be a problem. Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    I'm doing a custom twin scroll setup top mount @Terry@BMS. 6766 is what I'm looking at or a gtx42. Idk if you're familiar with DEEDS Performance, but they're helping me up with the kit. Top mount t4 TS with 4" exhaust all the way through. Looking maybe to make a production kit for only hardware around 3k. So Terry I'll need your help with tuning cause JB4 is the only way to go...
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    Awesome! you pick up an N54 yet? Are you parting out the Cobalt or selling as is?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    I'm doing a custom twin scroll setup top mount @Terry@BMS. 6766 is what I'm looking at or a gtx42. Idk if you're familiar with DEEDS Performance, but they're helping me up with the kit. Top mount t4 TS with 4" exhaust all the way through. Looking maybe to make a production kit for only hardware around 3k. So Terry I'll need your help with tuning cause JB4 is the only way to go...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    I'm doing a custom twin scroll setup top mount @Terry@BMS. 6766 is what I'm looking at or a gtx42. Idk if you're familiar with DEEDS Performance, but they're helping me up with the kit. Top mount t4 TS with 4" exhaust all the way through. Looking maybe to make a production kit for only hardware around 3k. So Terry I'll need your help with tuning cause JB4 is the only way to go...
    Sign me up. A 3k proven hardware kit would sell like crazy!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mycoupe Click here to enlarge
    How is the N54 turbo route not still loads cheaper then a $20k sc for the M? After supporting mods for both and price of car, N54 is still loads less expensive.
    $20k? Wut?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mycoupe Click here to enlarge
    last time I looked at super charger kits for the e9x M, they were upwards of 20k. As far as never being an M, who gives a $#@! the non M faster and handles better...for a lower price!
    You checked wrong then never been $20k... ever.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dirty Dog Click here to enlarge
    REALLY......I see a N54 BMS ST (Terry) vs M3 SC (Sticky) in the near future. But we all know who will win that one.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    If sticky breaks down before the cones does it still count as a BMS win? Click here to enlarge
    Not if I'm ahead at break down point.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Sounds interesting. Tuning won't be a problem. Click here to enlarge
    Awesome Terry. I'm loving the jb4 already.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by sammy_0559 Click here to enlarge
    Make a JIG!!!! lol and make sure it fits a 135i
    Hopefully, that's why Terry is here Click here to enlarge The thing is this can't happen for a couple more months. They're too busy and I gotta drop my car off for a week to build the manifold, DP and exhaust.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    Awesome! you pick up an N54 yet? Are you parting out the Cobalt or selling as is?
    $#@! yes! http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...ally-got-a-335!!!

    Parted out the balt as much as I could. Someones coming right now to check it out! Wish me luck!!!
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    A $3000 turbo hardware price point would be real appealing. The only thing keeping me away from the M3 is the $13k-15k price of a new SC. Plus the price of a built engine, which will almost certainly be necessary to put out big power on either the N54 or S65.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    You checked wrong then never been $20k... ever.
    you are correct. My bad. I was getting the kits for the RS4 I was looking at confused with the M3 kits. Either way, as posted above, you're still in between 10-15k for the sc and were at ~20k more for the initial car purchase. Plus, the M motor really needs to be built to handle high hp and that just sends the cost out of the park.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mycoupe Click here to enlarge
    you are correct. My bad. I was getting the kits for the RS4 I was looking at confused with the M3 kits. Either way, as posted above, you're still in between 10-15k for the sc and were at ~20k more for the initial car purchase. Plus, the M motor really needs to be built to handle high hp and that just sends the cost out of the park.
    Does not need to be built to handle high HP unless 600 whp is not high HP in your mind? A turbo kit for an E46 M3 will get you 700 whp on stock internals btw...

    You can get a sub $10k SC kit if you want and install it yourself. This is not going to be an install it yourself option except for the true diehards (whom I love).

    Just putting things in context and this is something I have been saying for a long time. N54 guys are always saying 'oh I can just get a tune for X amount compared to X amount to get X hp for X car blah blah blah' but once you start spending money on turbo upgrades, manifold upgrades, fuel system upgrades, trans upgrades, built motors, the hp value argument when going past what the stock turbos gives you is dead and buried.
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    I think it's an interesting point you're trying to make for sure. I'd like to see a cost comparison, item by item, from fueling to FBO + Meth to upgraded turbos and see what the cost of each platform is to make it to, IDK 600HP? 700HP? it would make an interesting comparison. Then the masses could add in the price of the cars and argue from there. $#@!, do it for the e46 M3 too. a 335i vs e46 M3 vs e92 M3 mod comparison for a 700WHP car.

    now someone get on that LOL

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    Does not need to be built to handle high HP unless 600 whp is not high HP in your mind? A turbo kit for an E46 M3 will get you 700 whp on stock internals btw...

    You can get a sub $10k SC kit if you want and install it yourself. This is not going to be an install it yourself option except for the true diehards (whom I love).

    Just putting things in context and this is something I have been saying for a long time. N54 guys are always saying 'oh I can just get a tune for X amount compared to X amount to get X hp for X car blah blah blah' but once you start spending money on turbo upgrades, manifold upgrades, fuel system upgrades, trans upgrades, built motors, the hp value argument when going past what the stock turbos gives you is dead and buried.
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    The only problem would be the inclusion or lack of including questionable mods. For instance, is suspension needed or are non power making supported supporting mods not included?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    I think it's an interesting point you're trying to make for sure. I'd like to see a cost comparison, item by item, from fueling to FBO + Meth to upgraded turbos and see what the cost of each platform is to make it to, IDK 600HP? 700HP? it would make an interesting comparison. Then the masses could add in the price of the cars and argue from there. $#@!, do it for the e46 M3 too. a 335i vs e46 M3 vs e92 M3 mod comparison for a 700WHP car.

    now someone get on that LOL

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mycoupe Click here to enlarge
    The only problem would be the inclusion or lack of including questionable mods. For instance, is suspension needed or are non power making supported supporting mods not included?
    not included. The N54 is still less expensive then all of them if you ask me.
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    I guess to eliminate variable at first, I would say no suspension mods. Once we have the three lists of HP adders and supporting mods, then we add the 335i suspension mods and any other mods deemed necessary to make the cars equal in performance.

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    The only problem would be the inclusion or lack of including questionable mods. For instance, is suspension needed or are non power making supported supporting mods not included?
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    the real question, if you ask me, is do we include the base retail cost of the vehicle or not. I say we do.

    A quick way is add up everything on the Vishnu page shiv says is needed. apparently that makes 734whp...
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    once the mod lists are complete, then we add purchase price of car.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    the real question, if you ask me, is do we include the base retail cost of the vehicle or not. I say we do.
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    @Sticky can you put together a mod list with prices for a 700HP e92 M3? Then we need two volunteers to put together mod lists for 700HP 335i MT and e46 M3.
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