10-01-2013, 07:45 PM #1
Government shutdown, does anyone even notice anything different?
I do not. Do you?
I was thinking if the world has not ended because parts of the government shut down why exactly can't we keep them permanently shut down until the budget is reigned in? Isn't this a perfect trim the fat time showing what is and is not essential?
10-01-2013, 07:50 PM #2
"Essential personnel" are still in place, I'm one of the lucky ones...
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10-01-2013, 07:53 PM #3
State parks were supposed to be closed...probably the only thing I would notice. Also isn't the ATF or something not working?
10-01-2013, 07:53 PM #4
So if everything is working... why not just permanently cut the non-essential stuff?
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10-01-2013, 07:57 PM #8
Well I work on a military installation, so essential personnel are more or less here to keep the military going. I imagine true government functions are completely shut down.2011 E90 M3 \ Melbourne Rot Metallic
10-01-2013, 08:00 PM #9
"Last week, the House passed a bill to completely defund the health law. When the Senate rejected it, the House passed another version that would have abolished a tax on medical devices and delayed the law for a year. When the Senate rejected that, House Republicans passed another bill that would have delayed the individual mandate and revoked health insurance subsidies for congressional staffers. After the Senate said no to that, the clock ran out and the government shut down. Thatís when the House asked for private negotiations ó surprise, the Senate turned that down ó and thatís where the parties stand now. " from the article on yahoo....WAIT Mr. President the Republicans aren't negotiating? Takes two to tango you arrogant ignoramus.
We need to cut EVERYTHING! Over seas, and in the US, our house and senators that are failing should be fired, if we are unable to come to a reasonable conclusion the lawmakers should be fired.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
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10-01-2013, 08:35 PM #12
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10-01-2013, 10:38 PM #13
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10-03-2013, 12:37 PM #17
but it was the law. It was changed by the congres and house not by blackmailing the nation with shutdown because they did not like another governement law that just past.There are two theories to arguing with women. Neither one works
10-03-2013, 12:41 PM #18
The point stands that just because something is in the books does not make it right. To hell with Obamacare and this failure of a president. He just wants this for his legacy. His legacy isn't worth trillions of dollars.
10-03-2013, 01:07 PM #19
@DavidV I see in the Netherlands there is a private, compulsory health insurance system, much like Obama-care. Except in cases of religious objection, everyone is required to purchase insurance. This of course helps spread the risk from the ill (those at the most risk) to the insurance pool at large, the fundamental idea of any type of insurance. Just like in America, the health insurance companies and hospital are largely private entities, with hospital being mostly non-profit. So it seems there are many similarities with the Dutch system and Obama-care.
How do you like the health insurance system in the Netherlands? Would you change anything about it? What is your take on what is happening in the United States right now concerning health insurance?Eppur si muove.
10-03-2013, 01:36 PM #20
My take on this is that any self respecting civilized country should have some sort of Healthcare system.
The Netherlands came from a National health system where most had free healt and above a certain salary you had a mandatory private Insurance. That created class Healthcare.
We abandoned that system not too long ago for a basic public Insurance equal for everyone, which everyone has to pay for, where everyone can, if they want, insure themselves extra for extra risks such as fysiotherapy, dental care, alternative medicine and what have you as an extra Insurance policy.
The USA has their priorities absolutely upside down. Your country spends more on military and how they want to dictate what's happening in the world than in taking care of their own inhabitants.
That is downright bizar.
IMHO I think the USA, and especially the republican take on Healthcare is downright uncivilized.And highly egocentrical. Every man for himself and let everyone else go to hell.
A bold statement on a mostly republican forum, but there it is, my opinion.
And sure, Healthcare is mighty expensive. Here there are discussions also in how far you want to go in Healthcare spendings for elderly people, making Healthcare more efficient, cutting expensive medicine out of the standard budget, etc. Also taking into account people get older now than 20 years ago, and will get older still. And when getting older needing more care.
I see the USA going down the same path. Your Healthcare is so damn expensive that there needs to be a reorganization and rebudgetting for a lot of Healthcare before your Healthcare law becomes succesfull.
And accepting this governement funding blackmail as a viable political tool is beyond my comprehention.
Your governement Always says they do not negotiate with hostage keepers, but apparently in politics they do.
Negotiate with them once and they will do it again and again.
Apparenty acceptable to a lot of Americans
In the mean time saying there are no consequenses to the governement shutdown is also downright stupid.
Besides reputation damage and a possible bankrupty which can cause financial waves globally there are numerous effects apparently not being known to the USA citicens. You should wonder why noone informs you about that. Maybe even be worried.There are two theories to arguing with women. Neither one works
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Dont get me wrong I think there is a lot that is great in the US, I visit regularly and would even consider moving there. But I can always send my kids back to some of the best universities for free education or move home if anyone would get a serious illness (like cancer). I wouldn't consider myself lucky being born in the US though (unless my parents are rich).
As far as the current issue in your government, isnt there a law that has been legislated following democratic process that are now blocked by some poor losers not getting their way? I rather think you have a working democracy even if you dont support Obama?
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10-03-2013, 02:31 PM #24
"I wouldn't consider myself lucky being born in the US." Well I do, but I don't think I could explain it to anyone who didn't grow up here.
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I build software for a living, and part of this software has functionality to determine risk based on location; since the NOAA and the weather service is not feeding us data, it affects one of our packages. So, yes - it affects me, but not too badly. I think this whole thing is a joke.