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    430 horsepower and 369 pound-feet of torque for F80 M3 / F82 M4 S55 twin turbo motor - Curb weight of of 3306 pounds, manual transmission

    Finally some concrete details from BMW on the next generation M3/M4! What may be interpreted as bad news is the horsepower output from the 3.0 liter inline-6 S55 twin turbo (single scroll turbo) motor is 'only' 430 horses. The torque figure is at 369 pound-feet. Not exactly a powerhouse of a motor or a torque monster but the good news is that this powerplant is mated to a chassis that will weigh about 3306 pounds or 1500 kilograms.

    A curb weight of 3306 pounds makes the F80 M3 / F82 M4 lighter than both previous generation M3 vehicles the E46 and E9X. It seems AutoBild got the specifications correct for the most part when they leaked them last month although horsepower is up from their claimed 416. If BMW does a Competition Package with the new M3 (chances are they will as fanboys will raise hell about the C63 out-muscling the M3 and the tiny increase over the E9X) the power, curb weight, torque, and dual clutch transmission will make for a package likely capable of high 11's in the 1/4 mile out of the box.

    What is the redline of the motor? A good question. BMW has not officially confirmed the redline although they claim the new motor is high revving. Keep in mind BMW also made this claim about the S63TU V8 under the hood of the M5 and M aficionados hardly refer to that stump puller as a high revver.

    AutoBild claimed 7800 rpm although that may be overly optimistic. Current reports place the redline somewhere between 7500 to 7800 rpm. BMW has yet to confirm the exact number but says it is 'over 7500 rpm.' How much over they do not say.

    The motor has a closed deck design meaning it is not based on the N54 as some people speculated (N54 fanboys). The motor does have Valvetronic. The block is seemingly a brand new design. The power is sent to a carbon fiber driveshaft.

    BMW also confirmed the manual transmission option meaning Autoblog F'd up royally with their report stating the M3/M4 would not have a manual transmission. Further details to come but what is concrete as of right now are the horsepower, torque, transmission, and curb weight figures. Additionally, both the sedan and the coupe will have carbon fiber roofs. BMW press release and photos below.

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    The new BMW M3 Sedan and new BMW
    M4 Coupe:
    Innovative engine technology and a focus
    on lightweight design.

    The launch of the new BMW M3 Sedan and new BMW M4 Coupe sees
    BMW M GmbH revealing an all-new interpretation of the high-performance
    sports car – and carrying the BMW M philosophy over into the fifth generation
    of the M3. More than 40,000 examples of the fourth-generation BMW M3
    Coupe were built, and now the BMW M4 Coupe is poised to continue this
    history of success. The “M4” badge is a reference to the model series that
    provides the basis for the new M model. And for the first time, the Coupe will
    be introduced at the same time as the four-door variant, which logic dictates
    will be christened the BMW M3.

    “Four generations of the BMW M3 have blended motor sport genes and
    uncompromised everyday usability within an emotionally rich overall concept;”
    explains Dr Friedrich Nitschke, President BMW M GmbH. “The BMW M3
    Sedan and BMW M4 Coupe represent an ongoing commitment to this
    philosophy. The engine is the heart of every M model, and the example fitted
    in the two new cars combines the virtues of a high-revving naturally aspirated
    unit with the strengths of turbocharger technology. An all-embracing
    lightweight design concept keeps the cars’ weight to just under 1,500
    kilograms. The BMW M3 and BMW M4 take motor sport technology from the
    track to the road, and thousands of laps of the legendary Nürburgring
    Nordschleife – the world’s most demanding race track – have readied the new
    models for that transition. Meticulous and passion-fuelled development work
    has underpinned the creation of two high-performance sports cars that set
    new standards in terms of overall concept, precision and agility.”
    The high-revving six-cylinder in-line engine with BMW M TwinPower Turbo
    technology newly developed for the new BMW M3 Sedan and BMW M4
    Coupe produces maximum output of approximately 430 hp. Its peak torque
    soars far beyond 500 Newton metres (369 lb-ft), outstripping the figures
    recorded by the outgoing BMW M3 by well over 30 per cent. And yet the
    engine also achieves a reduction in fuel consumption and emissions of around
    25 per cent. The weight of the cars has been reduced to just under 1,500
    kilograms, which helps to ensure outstanding driving dynamics and
    exceptional efficiency.

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    I'd say this is pretty exciting news. Will be interesting to see how well the cooling system works on these compared to the new m5/m6
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    Thats one crazy wastegate actuator.
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    There are pics of a 8000 rpm tach...

    This car with a dct will be lethal... Just look what a heavier tuned 335is does in the 1/4!
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    Any word on what the block/ internals are made of? The aftermarket should have a field day with this platform, it seems like it has a lot of potential. My only comcern is how well it stays cool on the track/ hard driving situations.

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    Also I like these power outputs, at this weight it shoul be a heavy hitter on the track...maybe not so much on the strip but that's what the aftermarket is for

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    Can't wait to see what it runs. I think this might be my next car. Will have to wait till I can buy a 1 year old used one so I can afford it.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
    Any word on what the block/ internals are made of? The aftermarket should have a field day with this platform, it seems like it has a lot of potential. My only comcern is how well it stays cool on the track/ hard driving situations.
    The cylinders are not sleeved/lined.

    I'm guessing the internals are forged. The crank is.

    The full press release makes a big deal about the cooling so let's hope it doesn't limp. It's so much lighter than the M5/M6 that it should at the very least be better in this respect.

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    The cylinder walls have a "LDS coating" ... According to the article I read
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    @bobS don't attached watermarked pictures especially not to a front page article. Edited.

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    @Sticky whoops sorry, I attached it then thought I deleted before posting bc I noticed the watermark
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    Some specs on the turbo setup:

    "At the heart of BMW M division’s new twin-turbocharged 3.0-litre in-line six-cylinder, which is mounted longitudinally, is a patented induction process that uses two low internia turbochargers. Eschewing both twin-scroll and variable vane geometry, the IHI produced units provide a relatively conservative maximum boost pressure of just 1.3 bar. " (1.3 bar = 18.8 psi)

    Also not confirmed in the article posted, but the motor is DI so maybe there's a transferrable N54 fueling solution there; there's a serious upgrade in the oil system but it is not a dry sump system; AND the production debut will be Detroit in January 2014.


    Apparently people can start placing deposits at dealer's, so if you seriously want one just bring your checkbook.
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    It will be what, $70k or so? Same thing as a loaded E92 M3 so what's the big deal?

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    Also, I don't think anything from the N54 will transfer to this.

    What is interesting is they went closed deck as well. That should tell N54 people plenty.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Also, I don't think anything from the N54 will transfer to this.
    Not suggesting anything was brought over from the N54, just stuff from the S55 being used on the N54. You also need to get off the N54 war path, they're about 85% of your membership here.
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    From looking at the pics, it doesn't look like we'll be needing aftermarket DPs since the 1st set of cats I can spot are in the midpipes. Good thing too because it's gonna cost LOTS-o-money to upgrade that air/water cooling system if it has trouble keeping up with some basic bolt-on upgrades.


    8k Tach just means Redline is somewhere above 7k --- Could be 7300 RPMs or 7600, we'll see Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    From looking at the pics, it doesn't look like we'll be needing aftermarket DPs since the 1st set of cats I can spot are in the midpipes. Good thing too because it's gonna cost LOTS-o-money to upgrade that air/water cooling system if it has trouble keeping up with some basic bolt-on upgrades.


    8k Tach just means Redline is somewhere above 7k --- Could be 7300 RPMs or 7600, we'll see Click here to enlarge
    I read on a different site the redline is going to be over 7500. No idea how true that is though and I think you might be right about the cats unless they are very small. In the pics with the piping on the engine it looks like that is just straight through piping
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    Closed deck Click here to enlarge More impressed with this motor after today, but I will still take the new Corvette over this. I need a big V8 in my life.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    Not suggesting anything was brought over from the N54, just stuff from the S55 being used on the N54. You also need to get off the N54 war path, they're about 85% of your membership here.
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    This my friends is the next 2JZGTE.

    This car is badassssss - it will stomp all previous M3s (as it should)

    Hoping that the new Supra will be a lower frills variant of this badass mofo ;-)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    The cylinder walls have a "LDS coating" ... According to the article I read
    Hehe, can't wait to drop one of these beasts in our Centroid for some VAC/Darton sleeves ;-)

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    So rather than iron sleeving the block BMW uses LDS.

    A discussion of LDS cylinder walls in the n20

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    In our discussions with Dr. Harald Unger at NYIAS, head of inline engine development in Munich, we developed an excellent feel for these new breakthroughs that make this engine look so good; at least on paper. This engine is the first from BMW that we know of that features LDS (Lichtbogendrahtspritzen) coated cylinder walls. LDS has already been used for a handful of years by other manufacturers (namely Mercedes Benz’s AMG division) with great success. LDS is also known as a twin wire arc spray process. A twin wire arc spray gun is composed of two consumable electrodes (two iron wires in BMWs case) brought toward a converging point wherein an electric arc is generated. This arc then melts the continuously advancing iron wires. An atomizing gas (inert) flowing through the arc produces a molten droplet spray jet that is directed toward the surface of the part to be coated, in this case the aluminum cylinder wall. It is basically a plasma cutter/welder that has the molten metal blown with the droplets creating a coating. What LDS permits is a thinner/lighter cylinder wall, for the N20 that is initially .4 mm which is honed down to .2mm; minuscule when compared to the typical iron sleeve. The decreased thickness allows for greater thermal transfer and consistency all while allowing extra cooling channels (part of the water jacket) between cylinder bores so the engine can been tuned “hotter” since the cooling properties are greater."
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    Just for kicks, let's scale up the M3/M4 with mods as we do with the N54...FBO + E85 and/or meth readily increases HP and torque by 50%. Do the same for the new M3/M4 and we are at 645 HP / 550 TQ. Couple this with a much lighter car and we're all going to jail!

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    I spy 3.5 bar map sensor. 18psi my ass lol

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    1/4 mile calculator put it at 12.11 on 1/4 mile. But is just a calculator and it's a really ROUGH estimate. But with that said though 12.11 is a lot faster than the 12.8.

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