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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alextremo Click here to enlarge
    IDK, +95hp and +123lb-ft over stock for flash only doesn't seem mild to me. Makes me wonder if these engines are even more de-tuned from the factory than the N54 (and also what we'll see if they come out with Stage 2/3 with additional hardware)

    +95 hp is not aggressive for a twin turbo V8 that already makes 400 hp. Thats only a 25% gain, which is a typical tune. Dont look at the number, but the proportion.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    +95 hp is not aggressive for a twin turbo V8 that already makes 400 hp. Thats only a 25% gain, which is a typical tune. Dont look at the number, but the proportion.
    I'm not arguing that others won't make more power at some point, all I'm saying is that to pick up 95hp and 123tq without any bolt ons is not mild compared to what else is available.

    Also - I understand your point on % gain, I agree you might be able to use this number to guess how much is left on the table. But adding 95hp to a TT-V8 has the same effect on end performance as adding 95hp to an TT-I6, weight aside...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alextremo Click here to enlarge
    After writing that lengthy white paper on how they are Dyno gods and everyone else has no idea what they're doing, you would think they would at least publish the results of their OCD dyno testing from their facility.
    That has me scratching my head as well.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Definitely, that is the nature of modding forced induction. The S54 is hitting 1000 whp though when all these BMW turbo motors are out, how come? The E46 M3 isn't easy to mod but because the motor is so good in NA form if you have $ it is the better platform to mod for power.

    Well, to be fair, the S54 requires an engine build and lowered compression to be reliably capable of anything over 650rwhp. As I pointed out in another thread...it doesn't come cheap and apparently, only one company seems to be dedicated to mass producing a reliable turbo setup. The S/C systems aren't anywhere close to 1000whp. Not even 650rwhp, if I'm not mistaken.

    I won't be surprised if these BMW ///M turbo motors are capable of some pretty big numbers with stock motors and at half the cost of the HPF E46 M3 offerings. There will be a lot more tuners involved.

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    how could 95hp tune be mild?? can you guys show some more aggressive base stage 1 tunes??

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stahlgrau Click here to enlarge
    Well, to be fair, the S54 requires an engine build and lowered compression to be reliably capable of anything over 650rwhp
    This is true but logical that for forced induction the compression needs to be dropped from a motor that is high compression in NA form. We also never saw the S54 with a thicker head gasket...

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stahlgrau Click here to enlarge
    The S/C systems aren't anywhere close to 1000whp. Not even 650rwhp, if I'm not mistaken.
    Nowhere near 1000 whp and they never will be but 650 with a built motor and SC is possible.

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    I won't be surprised if these BMW ///M turbo motors are capable of some pretty big numbers with stock motors and at half the cost of the HPF E46 M3 offerings.
    For HP per $ factory forced induction always wins.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
    how could 95hp tune be mild?? can you guys show some more aggressive base stage 1 tunes??
    The N63 pushes 11.7 pounds of boost vs. 17.6 for the S63. Far more headroom with a tune on the N63. Dinan is conservative so goes to show that 95 (crank) hp is not the limit of what one can gain.

    Just look at all the other Dinan products, solid and conservative.
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    Well in that case a cummins diesel can pick up 200 hp with just a chip, and thats mild... You guys are missing the point, 95 hp for a 400 hp turbo V8 is not a huge gain; respectable but not huge. The N54 can pick up almost that with just a tune and intake and it starts out with 300 and less displacement.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    Well in that case a cummins diesel can pick up 200 hp with just a chip, and thats mild... You guys are missing the point, 95 hp for a 400 hp turbo V8 is not a huge gain; respectable but not huge. The N54 can pick up almost that with just a tune and intake and it starts out with 300 and less displacement.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    Well in that case a cummins diesel can pick up 200 hp with just a chip, and thats mild... You guys are missing the point, 95 hp for a 400 hp turbo V8 is not a huge gain; respectable but not huge. The N54 can pick up almost that with just a tune and intake and it starts out with 300 and less displacement.
    well N63 isn't that common , you can find N54 in every BMW platform except X1 , so it's far more easy to access for tuners than N63
    and N63 is available for expensive BMW's therefore tuners don't do some aggressive tunes on cars

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by HeroSina Click here to enlarge
    well N63 isn't that common , you can find N54 in every BMW platform except X1 , so it's far more easy to access for tuners than N63
    and N63 is available for expensive BMW's therefore tuners don't do some aggressive tunes on cars
    The N63 is going to be in just as many models than the N54, actually more now with it being phased out. That isn't a handicap.
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