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    481rw stock turbo

    Hey guys,

    Just wrapped up some dyno testing on our E92 MT. Mods include the JB4, BB flash, BMS DP, BMS DCI, CPE BOV, CPE IC, and BMS OCC. Factory catback system & midcats. $100 inline fuel pump. Spec clutch w/ steel flywheel.

    Fuel for today was E85 mixed with 91 octane. Around E60. Although there is probably a few more HP in there with E70-E80. Dyno room temps were in the low 90s. Fans were pretty good.

    The only changes since last time around (461rw) are on the tuning end. More advance, leaner air/fuel ratios, a slightly different VANOS curve, and some boost curve changes when the meth is flowing.

    The E85 only runs were on map 7. You'll notice the timing curve was consistently a bit aggressive around 6000rpm. On the two best E85 runs the dyno tach pickup skipped a beat so be sure to look at the torque curve and not just the peak numbers.

    With meth I decided to crank the boost up as much as I could. I also left the more aggressive timing curve in place. Basically, I was going for a max effort setup. And the car delivered with 481rw. On the advance to my surprise I found it was still aggressive up top even with meth flowing. This curve is going to need E70 up top + meth I suspect. I'll back it down up there for now.

    Anyway, very happy to have the stock turbo dynojet record back in our corner.
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    WOWZERS!! Which inline pump? I have been waiting on a drop in replacement but I'm not sure how much longer I can wait.
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    crazy torque!
    would like to see RB turbo with same setup, i think 530-540 rwhp Click here to enlarge
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    From the pic, the rear tires are not liking all that TQ Click here to enlarge

    Now we need to see some VBOX 60-130mph times!!
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    **SHAKING FIST** It was good while it lasted :/ Nice run Terry!

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    wow really impressive Terry.

    can you very well DD on this? If you can DD, do you have any guesstimates of the lifespan of the stock turbos?

    I can't read those logs worth a damn as I am not well versed in them, so I apologize if those logs answer this question. Are you keeping the same max boost/boost at redline as you normally do? Or did you increase these at all

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by chrisisnapping Click here to enlarge
    wow really impressive Terry.

    can you very well DD on this? If you can DD, do you have any guesstimates of the lifespan of the stock turbos?

    I can't read those logs worth a damn as I am not well versed in them, so I apologize if those logs answer this question. Are you keeping the same max boost/boost at redline as you normally do? Or did you increase these at all
    Oh Man...I don't Think anyone can predict the lifespan of turbos in general, waaaay too many factors and sheer luck.

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    I got to get an inline pump. I have access to E85 and 93. I put close to a 60% mix in last night since I have the E85 flash now and noticed nice bit more power Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by joec500 Click here to enlarge
    **SHAKING FIST** It was good while it lasted :/ Nice run Terry!
    Haha we also have an IC on you so I'm sure you'll be right there soon. With meth disabled I think we only passed you by 6hp. Click here to enlarge

    At these "record" power levels every little detail makes a difference. Even our lighter flywheels, rim weights, how the fans are pointed to the IC, ambient conditions, etc. I've also got the BMS low oil temp stat loaded. Maybe that was worth a hp or two.
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    Terry: Can I have this backend flash map? Click here to enlarge I think the stock fuel system can handle E50-60 no problem with enough meth thrown at it.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
    Terry: Can I have this backend flash map? Click here to enlarge I think the stock fuel system can handle E50-60 no problem with enough meth thrown at it.
    Some of the tuning tricks we're using here will only work on the MT. As soon as you shift with an AT everything changes. So I'll have to spend a lot more time on AT mapping development. As of right now for an AT I'd personally use map 7 w/ 50-60% E85 and the AT E85 flash. If you have meth then it will work that much better with it.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by boosted-M Click here to enlarge
    From the pic, the rear tires are not liking all that TQ Click here to enlarge

    Now we need to see some VBOX 60-130mph times!!
    We'll have to see. This car has always given disappointing VBOX numbers for some reason. Last time I think it did 9.0 60-130 compared to mid 8s with our 135i running the same mods/mapping. I'll be curious to see if these recent low load dynojet gains translate over to the "real world".
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    Id be interested in running a non-meth version of this map. Just sold my Cobb and will be using BB Flash for back end now. Im 6MT. Those torque numbers are crazy
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    has this taken the record back from teh procede camp (set a few days ago)? i'm not even sure any more.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by chrisisnapping Click here to enlarge
    wow really impressive Terry.

    can you very well DD on this? If you can DD, do you have any guesstimates of the lifespan of the stock turbos?

    I can't read those logs worth a damn as I am not well versed in them, so I apologize if those logs answer this question. Are you keeping the same max boost/boost at redline as you normally do? Or did you increase these at all
    Generally speaking more boost, more timing, leaner air/fuel ratios. On the turbo life these turbos already smoke sometimes at idle. Running this sort of a boost curve is definitely not "good" for them. But when stock turbos fail rather than explode they tend to just start burning more and more oil. Which means you can normally push them to the end with confidence knowing you probably won't damage anything other than the relatively inexpensive turbos themselves.
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    some must be pulling their hair behind the computer screen hahaha


    bms flash that works very well in the manual changes


    great job terry ...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by joec500 Click here to enlarge
    Oh Man...I don't Think anyone can predict the lifespan of turbos in general, waaaay too many factors and sheer luck.
    This is the point I was going to bring up.

    Will these things last?

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    Prob not. Haha. Anyone pushing 20psi on stock turbos should not expect them to last real long haha. It's fun while they last though. I pushed mine at 19.5 psi for 10k miles with no issues.
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    They won't last, but we have stg 2 options that are pretty cheap so....have fun while it lasts!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    Prob not. Haha. Anyone pushing 20psi on stock turbos should not expect them to last real long haha. It's fun while they last though. I pushed mine at 19.5 psi for 10k miles with no issues.
    Id say for most of us who would choose to push them to that limit, would "assume" failure is a real option and would be ready to upgrade soon. Although i said "assume" and you know what that stands for.
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    Great work Terry. Those are pretty insane numbers for stock turbos... Almost makes me reconsider whether it's worth forking out the extra $5k for upgraded turbos even though my stockers smoke and leak oil like crazy.

    Just out of curiosity, the previous 461hp record that you had, was that on a DD map whereas this run was a record run tune?

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    The 461rw was on a less aggressive and probably all around more stable setup. But the peeps want records and we're happy to explore pushing stock turbos to the "next level". Now that I know this puts down more power on the dyno I'll have to better quantify on road performance gains vs. 460rw trim.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Some of the tuning tricks we're using here will only work on the MT. As soon as you shift with an AT everything changes. So I'll have to spend a lot more time on AT mapping development. As of right now for an AT I'd personally use map 7 w/ 50-60% E85 and the AT E85 flash. If you have meth then it will work that much better with it.
    re: tricks, is this related to flatlining issues that the ATs have?

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    Basically I set the flash tune up the way we want for power, ignoring the effects of AT shifting. So this particular map would flat line like a $#@! I'm sure.
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