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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Because a motor like the S65 will benefit more from a custom dyno tune as it is more difficult to extract power from and with an SC you want a professional tune.
    I'm not sure why you assumed I was talking about etuning. I was talking about tuning in general and using this as another tuning tool in as professional a manner as you can imagine.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky
    What's on the road map is on a need to know basis.
    I thought it was open source or about to be open source and the community could be involved? Maybe I'm not getting it. What determines the "need to know" criteria when it comes to the road map in an open source project?
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    if I may make a suggestion, is it possible for the BT flash application to send a DME reset command for adaptations, etc?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@PTF Click here to enlarge
    I'm not sure why you assumed I was talking about etuning. I was talking about tuning in general and using this as another tuning tool in as professional a manner as you can imagine.



    I thought it was open source or about to be open source and the community could be involved? Maybe I'm not getting it. What determines the "need to know" criteria when it comes to the road map in an open source project?

    are you planning on offering e-tunes on the BT flash solution?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@PTF Click here to enlarge
    I'm not sure why you assumed I was talking about etuning. I was talking about tuning in general and using this as another tuning tool in as professional a manner as you can imagine.
    I'm not really making any assumptions I'm saying the S65 should be professionally handled and it isn't on the road map.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@PTF Click here to enlarge
    I thought it was open source or about to be open source and the community could be involved? Maybe I'm not getting it. What determines the "need to know" criteria when it comes to the road map in an open source project?
    I'm not going to talk about stuff that doesn't apply to the current software or may never come into existence as it's pointless. If someone will develop for other motors that would determine them needing to know.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
    are you planning on offering e-tunes on the BT flash solution?
    Eventually, yes...think there's a post in this thread that I've made earlier that talks about what we'd need to pick it up for tuning but in short it is mainly to be at least as good as Cobb for datalogging, be able to get into the OS and start changing things such as boost limits, changing logic to use 3d fuel scalar tables instead of relying on what's already there, etc. Progress has been great so far and as long as the idea of a truly open source solution does come to fruition (and not just freeware) we'll support it.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I'm not really making any assumptions I'm saying the S65 should be professionally handled and it isn't on the road map.
    What do you mean by "professionally"? A for purchase tool?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I'm not going to talk about stuff that doesn't apply to the current software or may never come into existence as it's pointless. If someone will develop for other motors that would determine them needing to know.
    Understood. You mentioned it wasn't on the road map. What is on the road map and why is the road map privy to only those that "need to know" and why do we have a "need to know" group in an open source solution when it comes to a road map?

    I'm trying to understand, that is all.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@PTF Click here to enlarge
    Eventually, yes...think there's a post in this thread that I've made earlier that talks about what we'd need to pick it up for tuning but in short it is mainly to be at least as good as Cobb for datalogging, be able to get into the OS and start changing things such as boost limits, changing logic to use 3d fuel scalar tables instead of relying on what's already there, etc. Progress has been great so far and as long as the idea of a truly open source solution does come to fruition (and not just freeware) we'll support it.

    to be fair, boost limit of 18.6 psi isnt a dealbreaker for tuning stock turbos.

    not sure how MAF WGDC or equivalent can be monitored currently with BT flash either for purposes of correcting throttle closures or the like. Cobb logging is superior for now.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
    to be fair, boost limit of 18.6 psi isnt a dealbreaker for tuning stock turbos.
    I agree, but, many that pro tune their cars want more than that, especially those with stock frame upgrades
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@PTF Click here to enlarge
    I agree, but, many that pro tune their cars want more than that, especially those with stock frame upgrades
    man youre quick. see my last post

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
    not sure how MAF WGDC or equivalent can be monitored currently with BT flash either for purposes of correcting throttle closures or the like. Cobb logging is superior for now.
    Is there any logging developed already for the BB flash software outside of what BT on its own provides? BT's logging was always a bit flaky for me, very frequent dropouts and the software freezing on me.

    What's the road map?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@PTF Click here to enlarge
    What do you mean by "professionally"? A for purchase tool?
    I mean buy a tune from a tuner. S65 tuning isn't coming people with M3's should stick to good tuners.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@PTF Click here to enlarge
    Understood. You mentioned it wasn't on the road map. What is on the road map and why is the road map privy to only those that "need to know" and why do we have a "need to know" group in an open source solution when it comes to a road map?

    I'm trying to understand, that is all.
    Because as of right now no development is taking place for other motors but other motors are a possibility. It's already mentioned in the OP what is on the road map. There's really no point day dreaming of what can't be reality. Whomever is doing development if anybody does further development for other motors would obviously be privy to all development information. No point building hype right now just look at people already asking for S65 tuning when the N54 isn't near perfected. Give an inch people want a mile.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@PTF Click here to enlarge
    Is there any logging developed already for the BB flash software outside of what BT on its own provides? BT's logging was always a bit flaky for me, very frequent dropouts and the software freezing on me.

    What's the road map?
    lol, OFT. Click here to enlarge

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    Logging? You don't need to log Shiv's OTS maps. They are perfectly conservative right Shiv? Click here to enlarge

    For BMS' customer needs the JB4 works nicely. Not a moment passes that I don't think up something I want to tweak, search for, or play with on the JB4 and/or back end flash side. It's really opened up a new world of development possibilities!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Logging? You don't need to log Shiv's OTS maps. They are perfectly conservative right Shiv? Click here to enlarge

    For BMS' customer needs the JB4 works nicely. Not a moment passes that I don't think up something I want to tweak, search for, or play with on the JB4 and/or back end flash side. It's really opened up a new world of development possibilities!

    wonder how one can custom tune their car with such poor logging, OFT or otherwise.

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    The BT or OFT logging is fine but there are quirks you need to get used to. It's definitely not as nice as the Cobb environment in terms of what you can log and being able to trace through tables. But I personally also disliked logging with Cobb. I like to see an instant picture with every possible parameter at my fingertips AFTER the run should I want to dig in deeper. I don't like to switch apps, fight with excel, "$#@! I forgot low fuel pressure I better go do another run now so I can see it", etc. I'm sure other tuners are perfectly efficient with the Cobb environment it's just not for me personally. The only additional piece of data I've always wanted on JB4 logs is the elusive 2-6 timing. We'll get it going sooner or later though. It's just a matter of finding the right commands to enable it.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    The BT or OFT logging is fine but there are quirks you need to get used to. It's definitely not as nice as the Cobb environment in terms of what you can log and being able to trace through tables. But I personally also disliked logging with Cobb. I like to see an instant picture with every possible parameter at my fingertips AFTER the run should I want to dig in deeper. I don't like to switch apps, fight with excel, "$#@! I forgot low fuel pressure I better go do another run now so I can see it", etc. I'm sure other tuners are perfectly efficient with the Cobb environment it's just not for me personally. The only additional piece of data I've always wanted on JB4 logs is the elusive 2-6 timing. We'll get it going sooner or later though. It's just a matter of finding the right commands to enable it.

    problem with having a ton of monitors logged is the logging resolution also takes a hit if too many are selected. probably why Cobb is capped at 20 monitors or whatever the limit is.

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    Hope this isn't a stupid question, but looking to get a battery charger before starting this process. Anyone have any suggestions based on what has worked / held strong charge for their flashes?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by xbox_fan Click here to enlarge
    I had issues with a Dell laptop an the BT cable, but an older core2 Dell works fine? Something with the usb ports imo...
    Its not an issue resolvable with the flasher, all you can do is try to fine tune the timing and receiving/sending of data. It says its ready for data but sometimes it isn't. These timing issues are the reason we've gone with a higher quality interface first. You have to manage the 'timeouts' using a variety of variables. Depending on the response you get from the DME, you may have to extend the time until timeout more, and you have to account for how many milliseconds it will take approximately to process the time out and so on.
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    Flashed my car tonight with zero2sixtyZ everything went great with DCan Read and Write, car feels like it pulls great but need to do some logs Running Shivs Stg1 OTS. We used a 30A charger the Kline Read took a little over an hour, we were going to do a write but did not have any I890S XDF to play around with for zero2sixtyZ need to work on finding one.

    Is it possible to update the DME to a different software or is a dealer visit required for this?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by islandroad83 Click here to enlarge
    Is it possible to update the DME to a different software or is a dealer visit required for this?
    You just need the files to flash.

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    2 questions:

    1) Is anyone currently working on getting the flash to work w/ an INPA cable? If so, I'm willing to wait longer to avoid buying the BT cable.

    2) Someone mentioned that peak power comes w/ 60% E85? That's where peak power comes w/ reference to just the BMS backend flash stacked w/ JB4 or does that apply even if one were to get pro-tuned for higher ethanol concentrations, such as 100%? I personally have 50% meth. Does that change the equation at all?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by klipseracer Click here to enlarge
    I can get tou an Australian ROM. An alpha member sent one to me. I think there are two for AU though. Let me know if you want it.
    Sure, send it to roy@roycormier.net. I'm going to try writing a script to locate maps and auto-generate an xdf. Otherwise I'll just do it manually.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ajdfkj Click here to enlarge
    1) Is anyone currently working on getting the flash to work w/ an INPA cable?
    No.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    No.
    Damn.

    Regardless, this is my first post (I think) on this forum, but I just wanted to thank all those who contributed to this achievement!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by e90man Click here to enlarge
    Damn.

    Regardless, this is my first post (I think) on this forum, but I just wanted to thank all those who contributed to this achievement!
    Appreciated. And just to mention @Roy Cormier did get it working with INPA.

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