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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
    You forget about the s54? Sure BMW doesn't use them but they are still produced and used by other car manufactures. The n54 is great and IMO the best turbo BMW engine but still not 2jz worthy. The s54 and 2jz are both in another class. Also the s63 is overrated
    i'm not sure how it can be agreed they're in another class

    yeah, i agree it's a bit of a fallacy to call one the other, but they have similar unopened limits and such?

    the 2j isn't some magical engine.. you'll get it to 800-900 then have to open it... then over 1000 you're gonna have a rebuild time

    the S54 is in another league, not because it's easy as pie to go 1000+ on it (it's not really).. but because it's a genuine precision engineering beauty.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    i'm not sure how it can be agreed they're in another class

    yeah, i agree it's a bit of a fallacy to call one the other, but they have similar unopened limits and such?

    the 2j isn't some magical engine.. you'll get it to 800-900 then have to open it... then over 1000 you're gonna have a rebuild time

    the S54 is in another league, not because it's easy as pie to go 1000+ on it (it's not really).. but because it's a genuine precision engineering beauty.
    I'm not quite sure what your trying to ask me. Can you please clarify for me?

    the 2jz has been proven to be one of the best engines to come out of Japan. It is also the go to engine for high hp builds. The s54 is also a modern marvel over 100 hp per liter and is the only bmw engine to break well over the 1000hp mark.( that I know of)
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
    I'm not quite sure what your trying to ask me. Can you please clarify for me?

    the 2jz has been proven to be one of the best engines to come out of Japan. It is also the go to engine for high hp builds. The s54 is also a modern marvel over 100 hp per liter and is the only bmw engine to break well over the 1000hp mark.( that I know of)
    i'm asking really HOW it's 'in another league'.. more specifically the 2j

    i agree they're VERY different engines in many ways, but not so in others

    from the factory, yes, the S54 is an engineering masterpiece, no denying.. that and it'll happily rev 8k-9k for ages with nice work

    >and is the only bmw engine to break well over the 1000hp mark.( that I know of)

    various other engines have.. S85 in a drag car that i know of (1800?).. turbo S62.. S50, S52..

    .. but the 2JZ

    it revs... OK... i mean, 8000-8500 if you don't want it to die at a moments notice, it's not the happiest to rev (the 1j will happily go +1k on that with a handfull less torque)

    as strong as they are.. it's super hyped, they DO break over 1k hp, and often they simply don't do it forever.

    i'm looking at buying the missus a 1j (to 1.5) or 2j powered car, and have been spending a lot of time on SF... they're stout, but majorly over-hyped.

    the N54 and 2j deliver their power in totally different ways, and .. well closed vs open deck, among other PHYSICAL differences.

    but in terms of being 'in another league'.. well a stock JZA80 supra vs a stock E82, bolt ons, tune, factory turbos, and the N54 has gobs more down low, but flails up high... and we haven't seen enough of the big turbo N54's to compare absolutely anything at all

    we have no idea when the block on the N54 is going to let go.. all i know is the 725hp one vargas spat out would drive a LOT smoother than any of the 700+hp 2j's lol.

    different cars, different engines, a lot of things DIFFERENT... but comparable, still.
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    @Flinchy I also think the 2jz is slightly overrated but there's no denying what has been accomplished (granted its been out longer). I also believe the n54 will one day be on par if not better than the 2jz. Don't get my earlier post wrong I don't think they are like the holy grail of engines, but they have both been taken to much higher levels than the n54. There aren't that many high power n54 out there partly cause they are harder to mod than a 2jz also they haven't been out as long. Does this answer your question at all? I'm on my phone and it's not the easiest to type on lol I can try to be more detailed when I get on something I can type with Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
    @Flinchy I also think the 2jz is slightly overrated but there's no denying what has been accomplished (granted its been out longer). I also believe the n54 will one day be on par if not better than the 2jz. Don't get my earlier post wrong I don't think they are like the holy grail of engines, but they have both been taken to much higher levels than the n54. There aren't that many high power n54 out there partly cause they are harder to mod than a 2jz also they haven't been out as long. Does this answer your question at all? I'm on my phone and it's not the easiest to type on lol I can try to be more detailed when I get on something I can type with Click here to enlarge
    yeah.. it's fair to say if you buy a 2j right now, you'll have the ability to IMMEDIATELY make gobs more power

    but the N54 hasn't peaked yet, fortunately.. give it another couple of years? haha

    but yeah, makes sense now, in terms of current potential.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    yeah.. it's fair to say if you buy a 2j right now, you'll have the ability to IMMEDIATELY make gobs more power

    but the N54 hasn't peaked yet, fortunately.. give it another couple of years? haha

    but yeah, makes sense now, in terms of current potential.
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    I think Vargas will take the n54 to the max in the near future. IMO the n54 is a better twin platform than single. At the end of the day it will go down as the SECOND best bmw i6 only to the almighty s54 lol I'm a fan boyClick here to enlarge


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
    and is the only bmw engine to break well over the 1000hp mark.( that I know of)
    The S38 has broken 1000 hp along with the S85. The S65 is unofficially there was well.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
    I also believe the n54 will one day be on par if not better than the 2jz.
    On par if not better? What are you smoking?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    On par if not better? What are you smoking?
    Give the n54 some time, let's see where it's at in 5 years or so. The 2jz has been out in various forms since the beginning of time. I could be and probably am wrong. At the end of the day I dont care because I chose the m3 over the 335 and my engines $#@!s on both jk... Kinda

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The S38 has broken 1000 hp along with the S85. The S65 is unofficially there was well.
    thanks for the correction I had no clue. What s65 broke the 1000whp mark? Would I be correct in saying the s54 has reached the highest whp level so far?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
    What s65 broke the 1000whp mark? Would I be correct in saying the s54 has reached the highest whp level so far?
    The S38 and S85 have the highest HP levels although the S85 is in a drag car.

    You said 1000 hp not wheel hp.
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    It has to be an n55 its mated to the ZF 8 speed. The n54 was never out with the ZF 8 speed correct?

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    I doubt they went that deep into it to get the n54 working with the ZF 8 speed much easier to throw twins/new manifold on the n55 and get bmw to help them tune it right

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
    I doubt they went that deep into it to get the n54 working with the ZF 8 speed much easier to throw twins/new manifold on the n55 and get bmw to help them tune it right
    I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to mate the n54 to the 8 speed. What I don't get is why they would go with a n55 and change it to twins. That doesn't make sense from a performance or price standpoint. The twin scroll spools faster and there is still more power to be had from it.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
    I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to mate the n54 to the 8 speed. What I don't get is why they would go with a n55 and change it to twins. That doesn't make sense from a performance or price standpoint. The twin scroll spools faster and there is still more power to be had from it.
    Hmm i would think itd be more work to mate the new trans and get the computers straight running the new trans which is from a different manufacture than the 6speed in the n54's and totally different gearing/final drive ratios to piece it together. As far as not going with the original twin scroll i know the n55 is capable of making 420hp with extra boost but itd be more stressed than the twins running at a lower level to make the same power. These guys have to offer a complete factory warranty correct

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    Just like they do in the alpina B7 which was running at 500BHP when first released. The stock n63 turbos/internals can be pushed to that power level but alpina went the extra step and upgraded turbos and pistons to bring the stress level down to run their desired power target and have enough reliability to offer their full warranty

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
    Just like they do in the alpina B7 which was running at 500BHP when first released. The stock n63 turbos/internals can be pushed to that power level but alpina went the extra step and upgraded turbos and pistons to bring the stress level down to run their desired power target and have enough reliability to offer their full warranty
    I would add also an excuse to charge a boatload more cash.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I would add also an excuse to charge a boatload more cash.
    LMAO ! Yea you have to give the stealership sale people some BS to push onto the customer to make them feel extra special and not let them know you can throw a BMS piggyback on a 750li and do work.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
    Just like they do in the alpina B7 which was running at 500BHP when first released. The stock n63 turbos/internals can be pushed to that power level but alpina went the extra step and upgraded turbos and pistons to bring the stress level down to run their desired power target and have enough reliability to offer their full warranty
    Hmm maybe your right. It just seems like way more work/money to design/produce a new manifold, mount two new turbos and retune the engine to operate with twins. The n54 and n55 were both used in e9x that had the same automatic trans right? So why can't they make the n54 work with the 8speed
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G0TB00ST? Click here to enlarge
    Hmm maybe your right. It just seems like way more work/money to design/produce a new manifold, mount two new turbos and retune the engine to operate with twins. The n54 and n55 were both used in e9x that had the same automatic trans right? So why can't they make the n54 work with the 8speed
    Good point on the n55 being used with the 6speed i thought it was exclusively developed with the 8 speed but i think your right on the e9x platform it was mated to the 6 speed and than switched to the 8 on the f30

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    Not sure if anyone saw this, but Chris Harris "confirmed" it was indeed a highly modified N55 with 2 turbos... Nice car, but am not sure I would dig into my wallet for one.


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    Not sure if anyone saw this, but Chris Harris "confirmed" it was indeed a highly modified N55 with 2 turbos... Nice car, but am not sure I would dig into my wallet for one.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=740gShZJF1M
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    If you watch that video, it just makes me more excited for the next m3.....its going to be amazing.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Good stuff.

    Alpina has such a close relationship with BMW they can do cool ass stuff like this.
    Yeah, that's for sure... After reading up on it's specs and watching that video, I almost think they are eating away at a market segment of BMW. I understand it's no M3, but it does give to the person that doesn't want or need the purity of an M, but wants a good overall cruise missile...

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    If you watch that video, it just makes me more excited for the next m3.....its going to be amazing.
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