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    Are you $#@!ing kidding me?

    So why does he have a JB4 if he's flashing the ecu himself?
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    This guy...

    And thats what i've never understood. Flash tuning does everything and more than a piggy back ever could. Not to mention its safer. Why people run both is beyond me.

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    I can't keep reading over there. I feel dumber.

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    Shouldn't be locked ever... Why would someone lock a thread of information and constructive arguments....?

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    So, does this need a BT Cable to run, or can it use a generic version, such as INPA or whatnot? Would you recommend any specific cables that could be used with this software? Some look like they're $40, others look like they're $200.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ferruccio Click here to enlarge
    So, does this need a BT Cable to run, or can it use a generic version, such as INPA or whatnot? Would you recommend any specific cables that could be used with this software? Some look like they're $40, others look like they're $200.
    Until someone does the work and writes a driver for the INPA cable we all used for the Alpina B3 flash the BT cable is the only available option.
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    That's a bummer. It's nice to see that this software will be fully open source, however.

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    Can't seem to edit my post. Any chance that someone has plans to write the driver side of things? I have no idea how hard that would be to do. That would make this solution vin-unlocked in every way. $250 for 3 vins vs. $30 for unlimited vins.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ferruccio Click here to enlarge
    Can't seem to edit my post. Any chance that someone has plans to write the driver side of things? I have no idea how hard that would be to do. That would make this solution vin-unlocked in every way. $250 for 3 vins vs. $30 for unlimited vins.
    In my case, i got a BT cable for the price of shipping... unlimited vins for $6.Click here to enlarge
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    Pretty awesome stuff, great work guys!
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    So basically, everyone is going with flash tuning now. Shiv and Terry included. How shocking! My predictions from 2009 are finally coming true. Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    Until someone does the work and writes a driver for the INPA cable we all used for the Alpina B3 flash the BT cable is the only available option.
    I don't think INPA requires a special driver. My INPA cable uses freely available FTDI USB drivers and it works magic.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by vasillalov Click here to enlarge
    I don't think INPA requires a special driver. My INPA cable uses freely available FTDI USB drivers and it works magic.
    Actually that's true. Device was recognized as USB serial if I recall correctly... @klipseracer What is the exact problem this INPA cable can't be used if the device is recognized by Windows?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    Actually that's true. Device was recognized as USB serial if I recall correctly... @klipseracer What is the exact problem this INPA cable can't be used if the device is recognized by Windows?
    The INPA cable uses the EDIABAS protocol, which is different than the protocol the BT cables uses. The EDIABAS protocol is in implemented in the open source flashing utility yet.
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    Isn't it just a cable with an interface? Why does it only responds to a certain protocol?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    Isn't it just a cable with an interface? Why does it only responds to a certain protocol?
    Ask Softing AG, they wrote the software.

    INPA uses the EDIABAS DLL to talk to the cable. The EDIABAS DLL encapsulates the data in a protocol and the cable then receives this information, converts it into CAN or K-Line messages and sends then to the car. The data the EDIABAS DLL sends the cable contains the data sent to the car and other elements which I have yet to decode. I imaging the other elements are typical of most protocol headers and contains data like packet length and message type, possibly with a checksum or other error correction mechanisms.

    More work definitely needs to be done here.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by vasillalov Click here to enlarge
    So basically, everyone is going with flash tuning now. Shiv and Terry included. How shocking! My predictions from 2009 are finally coming true. Click here to enlarge
    That's not exactly correct back end flashing has been used with piggy's for a while now.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by vasillalov Click here to enlarge
    So basically, everyone is going with flash tuning now. Shiv and Terry included. How shocking! My predictions from 2009 are finally coming true. Click here to enlarge

    Not everyone. Flash tunes still cannot and never will trigger methanol/nitrous solenoids/pumps. Maybe more of the guys not looking to run meth/nitrous go with open source but you still need someone that's going to be able to tune the car. Many people will stick with JB4 for piece of mind. Multiple free maps and the best customer service on the planet. That along with methanol/nitrous triggers, in dash gauges, map switching on the fly, etc. still keeps the JB4 relevant. The hardcore guys will all jump to open source, especially the ones that can self tune.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by vasillalov Click here to enlarge
    So basically, everyone is going with flash tuning now. Shiv and Terry included. How shocking! My predictions from 2009 are finally coming true. Click here to enlarge
    I personally think flashing tuning alone is very lacking. We won't be offering any "flash only" maps or solutions. The flash tuning we're loading is meant to compliment the JB4. As for Shiv I think he's just trying to cash in on this while he can. Since procede sales are very low these days he saves on support by sort of tossing it under the bus and then profits on this tablet while he can.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ferruccio Click here to enlarge
    Can't seem to edit my post. Any chance that someone has plans to write the driver side of things? I have no idea how hard that would be to do. That would make this solution vin-unlocked in every way. $250 for 3 vins vs. $30 for unlimited vins.
    The VINs are associated to the BT diagnostic and logging software. Not the DME Flashing software. No other cable will work with the BT software so using an INPA cable won't be any different than using a BT cable with 0 vins from a flashing perspective. Any BT cable can be used to flash an unlimited number of cars.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    I personally think flashing tuning alone is very lacking. We won't be offering any "flash only" maps or solutions. The flash tuning we're loading is meant to compliment the JB4. As for Shiv I think he's just trying to cash in on this while he can. Since procede sales are very low these days he saves on support by sort of tossing it under the bus and then profits on this tablet while he can.

    until you can fix 6at flatline on IJE0S flash only piggybacks arent going anywhere.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr. Boost Click here to enlarge
    Congrats on the progress Terry! Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    Actually that's true. Device was recognized as USB serial if I recall correctly... @
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    klipseracer What is the exact problem this INPA cable can't be used if the device is recognized by Windows?


    Drivers != Protocols

    Because of this, the firmware on the INPA interface comes into the picture.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by klipseracer Click here to enlarge
    Drivers != Protocols
    @DavidV Think of the driver as the nerves and muscles used to speak, and the protocol as the language. INPA cables use FTDI chips which are recognized by Windows same as BT cables, but they speak a different language than BT cables. Both convey the same information, more or less, just in different ways.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by klipseracer Click here to enlarge
    Because of this, the firmware on the INPA interface comes into the picture.
    Yes, those are the options: re-write the INPA cable firmware or reverse engineer the EDIABAS protocol. I'd rather attack the protocol, because then all INPA compatible cables can be used. If we re-write the firmware, then each cable is going to need to be reprogrammed to work, and once re-programmed, it will not work with INPA.
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