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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    LM, I love your car,ill buy it from you when you move onto this Click here to enlarge
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    That is one sexy ass car. I have a feeling the motor is going to be special too. Can't wait!!!! I'm personally in line for an M2 unless they put a I4 in it, then it's M235i for me Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    That is one sexy ass car. I have a feeling the motor is going to be special too. Can't wait!!!! I'm personally in line for an M2 unless they put a I4 in it, then it's M235i for me Click here to enlarge
    I can't imagine the M235 getting an inline turbo six and the M2 getting an inline 4. S20?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90SoFlo Click here to enlarge
    OK girls.

    (all stock comparisons)

    A V12 will sound better then a V10, a V10 will sound better than a V8 and a V8 will sound better than a I6. Its life.

    The N54 / N55 sound is average. Nothing great, nothing bad

    The E9x M3's have a great sound, but they're slow as dogs unless you dump crazy money into them.

    E46 M3 sounded like a bunch of metal hitting each other, its awful. Only people that own them, or really try to push the BMW brand like it.

    Stop bickering about your opinions. If you don't like the sound, don't buy the car.

    Also @Sticky

    This was a awful comparison. Wait until there is a proper sound capture and compare it stock for stock. If we want to use modded exhaust, a N54 with the HPF system sounds like a $#@!ing race car. But thats not stock

    (personally) I don't give a $#@! what the car sounds like, as long as it is a great car, drives well, has good power, I can change the sound later with other exhaust if i want.
    Can't disagree with this more and I've never owned one... the CSL m3 sounds like pure sex on wheels.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by continue5 Click here to enlarge
    Can't disagree with this more and I've never owned one... the CSL m3 sounds like pure sex on wheels.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by continue5 Click here to enlarge
    Can't disagree with this more and I've never owned one... the CSL m3 sounds like pure sex on wheels.
    Csl isn't a stock e46 m3Click here to enlarge yes the csl e46 m3 sounds good, and the e46 m3 doesn't sound bad to me , but it DID receive a lot of criticism from the auto industry mags and public for how it sounded when it was released. It didn't hurt the sales however and that's why I brought it up.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    Sound Quality < Performance
    Oh you forgot when we had both. Check out the 458 Ferrari, Porsche 991 GT3, Mercedes SLS, and Corvette Z06 some time.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    The "synthetic engine sounds" you're talking about are authentic S63 Tu engine tones/sounds, but because it's so quiet the pump the engine noise back into the cabin.
    So they're synthetic? Yep.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    It's a flat-plane, race inspired V8.... That probably cost as much as an M3. And just like the V12-TT in the Huayra, McLaren probably spent a TON of time and money on finding out how they could keep road legal emissions & offer an acoustically pleasing exhaust note because their customers are paying somewhere between $225k (McLaren) and $1.3 Million (Pagani)
    And it sounds amazing. My whole point that they can sound awesome. The main point being the crank and firing order which people still seem to be missing.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux Click here to enlarge
    Obviously I wasn't talking about an M3 with a blower on it like you have. I was talking about a stock M3 and they are slow. Just like the Maser, but the Maser sounds way better.
    They are slow? Mid 12's is slow? So then what's the 335 stock? Slower. Did you need to modify yours? I hope so. But yours STILL is slow.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux Click here to enlarge
    Point is I wouldn't want a slow V8 car without torque like the M3. Nor a slow V8 car where someone slammed on a blower to make it faster and which will disintegrate once I drive it for 15 minutes on the Autobahn.
    Somehow the motors don't disintegrate in racing where they have won championships. Without limping home.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    It won't sound the same and maybe not as good, but I don't care.

    My car isn't fast enough for me ATM, it was but I grew bored so I ordered vtt's.

    I'm thinking the new m should be 3.9-4.0 0-60 and 11.9-12.2 1/4....stock, which IMO will be fast enough for BMW to compete.

    You mentioned a FBO m3, I'm talking stock. Throw a tune on the new m and watch out.

    I read a recent article where BMW said the new m2 will definitely be faster than the 1m, so naturally the new m3/m4 will be even quicker.
    What is or is not fast enough is subjective.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90SoFlo Click here to enlarge
    A V12 will sound better then a V10, a V10 will sound better than a V8 and a V8 will sound better than a I6. Its life.
    That's honestly not how it works.

    The S14 sounds amazing. It's a four-cylinder.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90SoFlo Click here to enlarge
    E46 M3 sounded like a bunch of metal hitting each other, its awful.
    It is?



    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90SoFlo Click here to enlarge
    This was a awful comparison. Wait until there is a proper sound capture and compare it stock for stock. If we want to use modded exhaust, a N54 with the HPF system sounds like a $#@!ing race car. But thats not stock
    You don't get it. It doesn't matter what you do to it you still are working within the defined architecture. Yeah I'm sure an exhaust change will get it sounding anywhere near as good as that E46 M3 I just posted.
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    To the "sound doesn't matter" people:



    I know which motor I'd rather have.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by continue5 Click here to enlarge
    Can't disagree with this more and I've never owned one... the CSL m3 sounds like pure sex on wheels.
    Anyone who has ever owned an E46 M3 knows the comments about the exhaust note not being great are plain dumb. It's one of the most unique tones in the business and has an exotic feel to it that is not easy to duplicate and won't be exceeded by any BMW six cylinder.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    Csl isn't a stock e46 m3
    Really? What is it?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    ut it DID receive a lot of criticism from the auto industry mags and public for how it sounded when it was released. It didn't hurt the sales however and that's why I brought it up.
    It received plenty of praise as well...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux Click here to enlarge
    Point is I wouldn't want a slow V8 car without torque like the M3. Nor a slow V8 car where someone slammed on a blower to make it faster and which will disintegrate once I drive it for 15 minutes on the Autobahn.

    Alpina_B3_Lux
    Just like some people wouldn't want a laggy turbo car that will easily be limp mode prone during weekend track days.

    The S65 is sublime on a road course.

    That is why Porsche does it right. They have 911 turbo for stop light racers and the GT3 for track junkies. Even Ford makes the GT500 and Boss 302.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
    Just like some people wouldn't want a laggy turbo car that will easily be limp mode prone during weekend track days.

    The S65 is sublime on a road course.

    That is why Porsche does it right. They have 911 turbo for stop light racers and the GT3 for track junkies. Even Ford makes the GT500 and Boss 302.
    I can't believe a guy who tracks would put down the superior motor for tracking and the one BMW chooses themselves to race.

    Exactly, Porsche has it down. Mercedes has it down. Ford has it down. But BMW? 'i' don't know why they don't.
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    E46 M3 CSL FTW and the V10 too of course LOL
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    Missed this post. Quote notification system not working for me?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Oh yeah your proximity argument as evidence. Maybe if BMW puts a factory next door to Ferrari's the sound of the M3 will improve?

    We can agree your motor will never sound better though, right?
    What the hell are you talking about, proximity? FERRARI BUILDS THE MOTORS IN THE SAME EXACT PLANT. It's not "next to it" or "close to," it's the same thing! How hard is that to understand seriously? Your hypothetical questions make no sense, it's all just to try and get off the topic that a Ferrari motor will always sound better than an S65 ever will, period.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    And there's a major reason why they sound incredibly different but let's not let facts muddy things.
    That went right over your head apparently. It's a Ferrari motor wether you like it or not. And it still sounds better than an S65.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
    Missed this post. Quote notification system not working for me?
    It's completely turned off.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
    What the hell are you talking about, proximity? FERRARI BUILDS THE MOTORS IN THE SAME EXACT PLANT. It's not "next to it" or "close to," it's the same thing! How hard is that to understand seriously? Your hypothetical questions make no sense, it's all just to try and get off the topic that a Ferrari motor will always sound better than an S65 ever will, period.
    You still don't get it eh? I have nothing against you. Do you really want to keep looking stupid?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
    That went right over your head apparently. It's a Ferrari motor wether you like it or not. And it still sounds better than an S65.
    It would actually be a FIAT motor by your definition but you still don't get it is not the same Ferrari V8 design WHICH IS THE MAJOR REASON FOR THE SOUND OF THE MOTOR despite the location of the assembly. By all means, keep going.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It's completely turned off.
    Oh ok.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I have nothing against you. Do you really want to keep looking stupid?
    I don't either. But I don't think i'm looking stupid, just trying to prove a point just like you are Click here to enlarge

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It would actually be a FIAT motor by your definition but you still don't get it is not the same Ferrari V8 design WHICH IS THE MAJOR REASON FOR THE SOUND OF THE MOTOR despite the location of the assembly. By all means, keep going.
    No. "Fiat Auto" owns Ferrari and Maserati. Maserati and Ferrari are in a seperate division by themselves, together, under "Fiat Auto" ownership. "Fiat" the car brand, is a division under "Fiat Auto." Ferrari builds the motors alongside Maserati in the same plant together. "Fiat" the brand is in a seperate division from Ferrari/Maserati.

    Location argument was brought up only to explain to you Ferrari/Maserati share the same exact factory and build motors to put into their cars in the same place, hand built.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
    I don't either. But I don't think i'm looking stupid, just trying to prove a point just like you are
    Well you are looking stupid.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
    No. "Fiat Auto" owns Ferrari and Maserati. Maserati and Ferrari are in a seperate division by themselves, together, under "Fiat Auto" ownership. "Fiat" the car brand, is a division under "Fiat Auto." Ferrari builds the motors alongside Maserati in the same plant together. "Fiat" the brand is in a seperate division from Ferrari/Maserati.
    Yes the parent company is FIAT as my point implied.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
    Location argument was brought up only to explain to you Ferrari/Maserati share the same exact factory and build motors to put into their cars in the same place, hand built.
    And once again, in a discussion about engine sounds what does your incorrect assertion of a Maserati engine being equated to sounding just like a Ferrari stating it is the same thing have to do with location?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Well you are looking stupid.
    If that's what you think so be it. An S65 still won't ever sound as good as anything Ferrari/Maserati produces.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Yes the parent company is FIAT as my point implied.
    Very good, glad you get it. Ferrari/Maserati engines are seperate from the motors "Fiat" produces, however Ferrari/Maserati motors are all "Fiat Auto" motors yes. Just like a Buick motors and GMC motors are both GM motors. The tech between Ferrari and "Fiat" car motors are not similar in a way Maserati's relation is, which is what your post oroginally implied over being a parent company.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    And once again, in a discussion about engine sounds what does your incorrect assertion of a Maserati engine being equated to sounding just like a Ferrari stating it is the same thing have to do with location?
    That's what you just said. I said a Maserati sounds better than any S65 ever will which is the truth. And a Maserati Quattroporte's motor is made by Ferrari in the same exact plant they hand build F430 and other Ferrari motors. Never said it "equates", you said that.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
    If that's what you think so be it. An S65 still won't ever sound as good as anything Ferrari/Maserati produces.
    It's not what I think. It's a fact that the Maserati V8 does not equal the Ferrari V8 and that due to this they do not sound the same. Your implication that the Maserati V8 sounds better because it is a Ferrari V8 is incorrect. Fact. This is not subjective and you still don't understand why but I have faith it will click eventually.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
    Ferrari/Maserati engines are seperate from the motors "Fiat" produces, however Ferrari/Maserati motors are all "Fiat Auto" motors yes.
    A step forward. Now realize the Maserati motors are separate from the Ferrari motors and what separates them is why they don't sound the same. Let's see if you finally pick up on this.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
    I said a Maserati sounds better than any S65 ever will which is the truth. And a Maserati Quattroporte's motor is made by Ferrari in the same exact plant they hand build F430 and other Ferrari motors. Never said it "equates", you said that.
    And once again, here we go, what does the plant have to do with anything? The Maserati sounds better than the S65 because it's built in the Ferrari plant? Huh?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It's not what I think. It's a fact that the Maserati V8 does not equal the Ferrari V8 and that due to this they do not sound the same. Your implication that the Maserati V8 sounds better because it is a Ferrari V8 is incorrect. Fact. This is not subjective and you still don't understand why but I have faith it will click eventually.
    I was referencing the stupidity comment you made about what you "think" in bold, not motors. Look at previous quote...

    What is fact is that a Maserati V8 IS a Ferrari V8 because Ferrari manufactures it. They don't sound the same? In reference to what, a different Ferrari motor? Of course it wouldn't sound similar. An S65 dousn't sound like an N62 yet they are both BMW V8's. You seem to make eroneous connections to a certain Ferrari motor's sound, which is wrong and not the point at all. You are on the right track, that fact isn't subjective. "Did it click?" Click here to enlarge

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    A step forward. Now realize the Maserati motors are separate from the Ferrari motors and what separates them is why they don't sound the same. Let's see if you finally pick up on this.
    Look at the post above. It's a very simple concept to grasp.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    And once again, here we go, what does the plant have to do with anything? The Maserati sounds better than the S65 because it's built in the Ferrari plant? Huh?
    What are you talking about? Never said that. You are coming up with your own sentences. The Maserati sounds better than your S65 because Ferrari manufactures the motor. Yes, it so happens Ferrari motors are produced in Ferrari plants...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
    What is fact is that a Maserati V8 IS a Ferrari V8 because Ferrari manufactures it. They don't sound the same? In reference to what, a different Ferrari motor? Of course it wouldn't sound similar.
    It is not a Ferrari V8 because it isn't the same design as the Ferrari V8. The parent company is actually FIAT so by your definition it's a FIAT V8 once again.

    The whole reason you mentioned Ferrari was trying to piggyback off their motor sounds equating them to Maserati or did you forget?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
    Look at the post above. It's a very simple concept to grasp.
    Then why aren't you grasping it?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
    What are you talking about? Never said that. You are coming up with your own sentences. The Maserati sounds better than your S65 because Ferrari manufactures the motor. Yes, it so happens Ferrari motors are produced in Ferrari plants...
    You implied it or what was the point of bringing up how the Maserati is a 'Ferrari' motor in the first place? Just an interesting factoid to toss out there?

    You're backpedaling now as you should be.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Really? What is it?
    It was a very limited release, true special edition M3 that never saw the US shores. Without question, there is a big difference between a normal E46 M3 (even one with an SMG trans) and a CSL
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It is not a Ferrari V8 because it isn't the same design as the Ferrari V8. The parent company is actually FIAT so by your definition it's a FIAT V8 once again.

    The whole reason you mentioned Ferrari was trying to piggyback off their motor sounds equating them to Maserati or did you forget?
    Wrong and way out of context. Nobody is forgetting anything, except you when you don't read my statements correctly. By fact Ferrari motors are "Fiat Automotive" motors, very good. Fiat is a part of "Fiat Automotive" so yes they are "Fiat Automotive" engines too. NO, Ferrari motors are not built by "Fiat" parent company. I've stated this already...

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Then why aren't you grasping it?
    Good question. Why arn't you? It's a simple concept.

    The only person that isn't grasping the facts is you if you don't grasp the fact that Maserati's have Ferrari built motors.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    You implied it or what was the point of bringing up how the Maserati is a 'Ferrari' motor in the first place? Just an interesting factoid to toss out there?

    You're backpedaling now as you should be.
    What was the point? Did you even comprehend what I wrote? Ferrari motors sound way better than an S65 ever will, and since Maserati's have Ferrari motors, Maserati's sound way better than any S65 M3. If your definition of backpedaling is answering questions that you ask to get away from the facts, then ya I guess so...

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