Thread: F80 M3 / F82 M4 testing at the ring shows off the new S55 turbo inline-6 exhaust note - New M3/M4 sounds average? Comparison to E92 M3 S65 V8
07-28-2013, 09:57 PM #126
07-28-2013, 10:01 PM #127
What you are not getting is that in a sound quality thread you posted about Maserati saying it is a Ferrari motor. This is supposed to bolster your sound quality claim somehow as if the Maserati is on equal footing in sound as the Ferrari. I keep telling you your premise is mistaken and you aren't getting why.
Do you still not get why? Do you need my help to walk you through it?
07-28-2013, 10:36 PM #128
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07-28-2013, 11:16 PM #131
Maserati's motors are built BY Ferrari in Ferrari's plant. Glad you get it, we're making a bunch of progress with this last post you made. What you arn't getting and never have as of yet is the fact that Maserati's sound quality is much better than an S65 ever has been, because Ferrari motors kill the sounds an S65 makes period. I don't think you will ever get it but i'm trying to help you... Equal footing? What a joke. It's a sound comparison thread
Period. End of conversation really unless you need to keep denying the truth.
07-28-2013, 11:24 PM #132
07-28-2013, 11:37 PM #133
Maserati motors are not Ferrari motors. With the F430 Ferrari used the Maserati block. Yes, Ferrari motors sound amazing. Do you want to know why? Because they rev to 9k AND HAVE A FLAT-PLANE CRANK.
Do you know what that is? Here:
Get it? The Maserati motors DO NOT HAVE A FLAT-PLANE CRANK. They are cross-plane, just like the S65 V8.
Do you see why you're so damn stupid for arguing with me now that they are the same thing and that the Maserati motor sounds "better" because the Ferrari motor does? IT ISN'T THE SAME ENGINE DESIGN. WHERE IT'S BUILT DOESN'T MATTER.
The F430's 483-hp V-8--722cc and 88 horses angrier than the 360's--is part of a new family of V-8 screamers in the Maserati Coupé and Quattroporte. The commonality lies mainly in the block casting, says powertrain director Jean-Jacques His, where the engines share their 90-degree vee and five-main-bearing architecture. Variable intake- and exhaust-valve timing, plus the bore spacing of 104 millimeters, is also found in the Ferrari Enzo's V-12, which descends from the same family. A detuned version of that V-12 will eventually go into the 612 Scaglietti and replacement for the 575M Maranello.
As in the 360 Modena, this new F430 is the only Ferrari or Maserati to use a flat-plane crankshaft. That means half of its connecting-rod journals line up directly opposite the other half, making the crank look as flat as a dash mark when viewed head-on. Most V-8s, including Maserati's own version of the motor, have a two-plane crank that looks like an X and spaces the rod journals at 90-degree intervals for smoothness. Ferrari says the flat way, which mimics two inline fours joined at the hip, increases vibration but pays benefits in breathing and power production. It also grinds a particular edge into the Ferrari's bark at high revs.While production V8 engines use four crank throws spaced 90° apart, high-performance V8 engines often use a "flat" crankshaft with throws spaced 180° apart. The difference can be heard as the flat-plane crankshafts result in the engine having a smoother, higher-pitched sound than cross-plane (for example, IRL IndyCar Series compared to NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, or a Ferrari 355 compared to a Chevrolet Corvette).
So your entire premise is mistaken, this point never clicked for you, and you have been proven completely wrong. I led you to water, couldn't make you drink. Why you would argue with me for pages while holding a false premise when I kept telling you the reason why you were wrong I have no clue. Now take that laughing face smiley and apply it to yourself. You're beyond wrong, you look like a fool.
07-29-2013, 12:02 AM #134
07-29-2013, 12:05 AM #135
07-29-2013, 12:08 AM #136
Originally Posted by E90Company
07-29-2013, 12:08 AM #137
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07-29-2013, 12:10 AM #139
07-29-2013, 12:11 AM #140
So it must follow that:
Do you not see your logical fallacy? Really? Do you have a mental disability?
07-29-2013, 12:13 AM #141
07-29-2013, 12:16 AM #142
07-29-2013, 12:20 AM #143
Originally Posted by E90Company
Holy crap man.
07-29-2013, 12:27 AM #144
07-29-2013, 12:28 AM #145
I suppose that's as close as you'll get to simply saying you were wrong.
07-29-2013, 12:31 AM #146
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it may not sound good from factory (or at least in this video)
but it will properly opened up
08-14-2013, 11:30 PM #149
08-14-2013, 11:59 PM #150
^ That's the best it's sounded so far.