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    Newer more aggressive OTS maps would be nice...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onesuperboi Click here to enlarge
    Will the version 2 be able to have the same OTS maps as version 3?

    Are new OTS maps going to be released?

    Anything tune related that would differ between the version 2 and 3?

    I'm not really interested in using the device to display real time info, and mainly just need to flash a map and be done with it. I don't want to be in a situation like the JB or PROcede in which upgrading the hardware is necessary to get upgraded features with the tune.
    There will be no need to upgrade if you're happy with the V2. The V3 has some cool new features, but as far as flashing goes, they do the same thing. The V3 is faster though (start up time, map switching, etc).

    It looks like the trade will be 50% towards a V3. I'll share more info when I'm positive on it, but the BMW release isn't here just yet, so I don't want to give you any incorrect info. Also, we always have a 30 day return policy for any reason, and many of our vendors/dealers do as well. We're not trying to ruin anyone's day that just bought a V2 but would prefer the V3.
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    ^
    Feel free to go ahead and make the BMW AP the same price as other car brands.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
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    Feel free to go ahead and make the BMW AP the same price as other car brands.
    Boom! Right on the head

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
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    Feel free to go ahead and make the BMW AP the same price as other car brands.
    Market Share & BMW specific problems (our significantly advanced DME); the GTR COBB is also $895 and $1,300 if you want TCM control (Launch Control/Adaptive Clutch Logic/Think Anti-Lag is in the works).

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    Newer more aggressive OTS maps would be nice...
    The OTS Maps are pretty Aggressive as is (especially the "Aggressive" map), that's why someone PROtuning usually needs to address Boost Overshoots 1st. Even besides the significant increase in power & more area under the curve provided by a PROtune, the drivability is so much smoother and worth the additional cost.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    The OTS Maps are pretty Aggressive as is (especially the "Aggressive" map), that's why someone PROtuning usually needs to address Boost Overshoots 1st. Even besides the significant increase in power & more area under the curve provided by a PROtune, the drivability is so much smoother and worth the additional cost.
    Would you say they are aggressive compared to the OpenTablet Shiv map stage 1?

    I am definitely going to get a protune but I wouldn't mind loading up a map that is slightly more aggressive and that added "drivability is so much smoother" right now.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    Would you say they are aggressive compared to the OpenTablet Shiv map stage 1?

    I am definitely going to get a protune but I wouldn't mind loading up a map that is slightly more aggressive and that added "drivability is so much smoother" right now.
    No, Shiv's stage 1 "open flash" map runs basically the same boost and timing as the Cobb Stage 2+ FMIC Aggressive. I don't particularly agree with Shiv saying that map is good for a DCI car on 93 octane, he has a bit of a cavalier attitude about it, and not all engines run the same.
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    Lol thats why he is only showing timing cyl 1.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    No, Shiv's stage 1 "open flash" map runs basically the same boost and timing as the Cobb Stage 2+ FMIC Aggressive. I don't particularly agree with Shiv saying that map is good for a DCI car on 93 octane, he has a bit of a cavalier attitude about it, and not all engines run the same.
    This has been a concern of mine from the start. I figured it had to be very aggressive for a stock car.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JStang Click here to enlarge
    This has been a concern of mine from the start. I figured it had to be very aggressive for a stock car.
    From my experience, his map will be a "one rip wonder." One or two pulls before the car is too hot and the DME starts pulling back timing like crazy. I like the Cobb OTS maps because they are conservative enough to be used at the track and provide consistent and repeatable power delivery. Shiv's map is more geared around someone who uses the map as a "daily driver/dyno queen" with the occasional sprint from a stoplight or highway roll - but i still think its way too aggressive for oem hardware.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    From my experience, his map will be a "one rip wonder." One or two pulls before the car is too hot and the DME starts pulling back timing like crazy. I like the Cobb OTS maps because they are conservative enough to be used at the track and provide consistent and repeatable power delivery. Shiv's map is more geared around someone who uses the map as a "daily driver/dyno queen" with the occasional sprint from a stoplight or highway roll - but i still think its way too aggressive for oem hardware.
    Do you have a screen shot comparing in ATR?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JStang Click here to enlarge
    Do you have a screen shot comparing in ATR?
    I could show a few things like the timing and load targets. But really we need to see logs from these cars. I get the feeling that cylinder 2-6 timing will not be a logable parameter, i've seen a handful of persons ask Shiv directly if it would be supported - he has yet to reply to a single inquiry.
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    Isn't it funny how he picks and chooses what ?'s he will respond too! I like how he also tries to bait sered into a debate on what exactly he ripped off from Cobb. On a side note can the bt cable log timing on cylinders 2-6?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    No, Shiv's stage 1 "open flash" map runs basically the same boost and timing as the Cobb Stage 2+ FMIC Aggressive. I don't particularly agree with Shiv saying that map is good for a DCI car on 93 octane, he has a bit of a cavalier attitude about it, and not all engines run the same.
    Excuse any ignorance in this post:

    So his stage 1 map is just supposed to be for just a DCI on 91 or is it DCI on 93? I thought 91 + DCI.


    So you are saying his stage 1 is as aggressive as the most aggressive cobb OTS that requires 93 pump, FMIC, DCI, DP, and a suggested catback?


    I think someone said they were working on porting his map so it would upload on a Cobb. Quickest way to get logs as he sure isn't going to post one and so far no one else has...


    In your opinion, as long as I log, is it ok to run the cobb stg 2 + FMIC aggressive if I have DCI on 93 and no other mods? My thought is no but if it is as close to you say to shiv's stg 1 I don't mind given it a rip and posting some logs. Worse comes to worse logs are shat and I just change back to my current map.

    edit: If his tune is fine for a pull or two on the highway that works for me: I DD on highways for almost 1.5h a day to work and back. I generally find one person a day to pull against. I don't need back to back to back repeatable performance or something that would work on AutoX or on the track. I am sure my car would limp in a sec anyways.

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    From E90post. Already singing a different tune from saying that the OTS maps are perfectly fine on a stock car.

    Stg 1 is more aggressive than Stg 0. Both in terms of top end boost and ignition advance. We have run it on DCI-only cars on 91oct. Some cars are okay with it. Some cars are better with Stg0. If in doubt, and only have access to 91oct, run the Stg 0 map. When logging is enabled, you can play around with both maps and see what you can get away with. For those who get 93oct, you're just lucky. Plain and simple Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    In your opinion, as long as I log, is it ok to run the cobb stg 2 + FMIC aggressive if I have DCI on 93 and no other mods? My thought is no but if it is as close to you say to shiv's stg 1 I don't mind given it a rip and posting some logs. Worse comes to worse logs are shat and I just change back to my current map.
    UMMMMM..... NO! Chances are for the mods you're running, there's a TON of back-pressure on the turbos since you're not running catless DPs, so after a few pulls that's gonna run them into the ground. Also since nobody can log the map, nobody really knows how much Ignition Advance he's running. Just going out on a limb, but from a brief looks at the E90 thread & that quote right above, he's right on the limits of the octane for both maps (especially if "some" cars aren't running right on 91 and some are).


    Honestly the Sport OTS Maps from COBB offer plenty of power and are the perfect balance for someone that hasn't been PROtuned yet.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by The Ghost Click here to enlarge
    I agree. I now have multiple docks in my car (AP, phone, etc). Having an app makes it so much simpler. VIN lock via software, but save all the hardware costs.
    +1

    I've had the same v2 for quite some time. I hate when the screen stays black and I need to plug/unplug/shake three times to activate the screen. Time for an upgrade!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Burnie35 Click here to enlarge
    I already mount the Cobb V2 on my dash to monitor things like temps (here in Florida) and boost. I also have my iPhone mounted on the dash for Escort Live!. Having multiple gauges being displayed is great ... not to mention that with V2, it's a bit "hazardous to your health" if you try to change the item you want to monitor on the fly ... scrolling through with the tiny font and all.
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    Am I the only one who thinks 50% off (i.e. still about $500) is still very steep for someone just upgrading the hardware?

    If you already paid the "BMW tax" for all the ECU engineering when you purchased your v2 for $900, I would think the cost of upgrading just the handheld hardware/GUI would be a small fraction of that cost... say $200 max...

    Love my v2, would LOVE the v3, but don't think it's worth the large investment just for better hardware.. My killer PTF tune will still be my killer PTF tune Click here to enlarge

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    I want vendors to make a profit and stay in business... I see this discount (give me something for nothing) jibe in the old lady's fashion businesses, everyone wants something for next to nothing...

    but COBB will not and should not just GIVE AWAY their intellectual property for free... it takes time, effort, $$$ to make these new Access ports and I am chuffed they are offering even the amount they are....

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Zasquatch Click here to enlarge
    Am I the only one who thinks 50% off (i.e. still about $500) is still very steep for someone just upgrading the hardware?

    If you already paid the "BMW tax" for all the ECU engineering when you purchased your v2 for $900, I would think the cost of upgrading just the handheld hardware/GUI would be a small fraction of that cost... say $200 max...

    Love my v2, would LOVE the v3, but don't think it's worth the large investment just for better hardware.. My killer PTF tune will still be my killer PTF tune Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by blisstik Click here to enlarge
    The main feature I'd like to see is improved map switching times. Right now its 2-3 minutes but going from boosa to non-boosa code is longer. If they can do this in about 1 minute or less, that would be a huge selling point for me.

    Open source flashing = 12 minutes! Click here to enlarge
    Its about 45seconds for me to switch from map to map on the same code base. Going from standard to race code takes a while but there's a cure for that too by just having your pro tuner resave the OTS map with the appropriate code base.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    No, Shiv's stage 1 "open flash" map runs basically the same boost and timing as the Cobb Stage 2+ FMIC Aggressive. I don't particularly agree with Shiv saying that map is good for a DCI car on 93 octane, he has a bit of a cavalier attitude about it, and not all engines run the same.
    That's too funny Click here to enlarge I didn't know he is recommending and offering the most aggressive 93 octane pump gas map to those on stock hardware or with just dual cones haha that is quite a bit of heat for stock hardware...makes sense as he's trying to impress, only most tuners that care would never do that especially not in an Off The Shelf map
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    Can the Cobb log oil pressure?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MDORPHN Click here to enlarge
    Can the Cobb log oil pressure?

    Neil
    It is not listed in the "monitors" matrix:

    http://www.cobbtuning.com/BMW-N54-Ac...w-001/monitors
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