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    Cool

    I am sure there are more guys like me who will rely on COBB and ProTune Shops. So I am very pleased to see this new version. Click here to enlarge

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    Def interested in the trade in program, I just hope this will fit in the COBB case I won Click here to enlarge The larger screen will def be nice when you want to monitor multiple channels, for example if you're testing an E85 map and want to log/view Timing Corrections, STFTs & LTFTs simultaneously.


    AND to everybody that's thinking it'll be easier/cut some cost out to make an Android/iPhone app is very wrong. Here's some stuff you need to consider:

    Some things you need to consider:
    1. Is it really more "convenient"? -- Imagine trying to data log or PROtune your car? Unless your disable your cell signal, chances are you'll be receiving phone calls/text messages/emails/Facebook notifications. Without a doubt that's going to affect your data log results/slow down your PROtuning (which will add to your costs b/c more dyno time), but also a phone call mid-flash sounds like a real easy way for something to go wrong. Also, what happens if you lose your cell phone? Can easily say it's a similar situation to losing your AccessPORT, but at least replacing an AP through COBB is no where near as expensive (or time consuming) as arguing with your cell provider for a replacement device.
    2. Data Accuracy -- Once again, it's unrealistic to expect a cell phone to accurately multi-task a tuning module while receiving emails/text messages/phone calls. Something's gotta give, and I can easily say I don't want my data logging/live monitoring to suffer because it's "more convenient" to run the COBB hardware through my cell.
    3. Cost -- COBB have to make an app that they'll now have to license for approval to both Android & Apple (increased cost), they'll have to develop independent apps that work on both OS' (more R&D cost that won't go away when updates/bugs need to be addressed/phone OS' are updated). Chances are because of all the mass software changes/R&D/implementation costs, this will actually cost more & cause more headaches. MAYBE in the future, cell phones will be capable of running several high power applications at once, but not right now.



    Like rader said, somethings are better kept separate.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    Def interested in the trade in program, I just hope this will fit in the COBB case I won Click here to enlarge The larger screen will def be nice when you want to monitor multiple channels, for example if you're testing an E85 map and want to log/view Timing Corrections, STFTs & LTFTs simultaneously.


    AND to everybody that's thinking it'll be easier/cut some cost out to make an Android/iPhone app is very wrong. Here's some stuff you need to consider:

    Some things you need to consider:
    1. Is it really more "convenient"? -- Imagine trying to data log or PROtune your car? Unless your disable your cell signal, chances are you'll be receiving phone calls/text messages/emails/Facebook notifications. Without a doubt that's going to affect your data log results/slow down your PROtuning (which will add to your costs b/c more dyno time), but also a phone call mid-flash sounds like a real easy way for something to go wrong. Also, what happens if you lose your cell phone? Can easily say it's a similar situation to losing your AccessPORT, but at least replacing an AP through COBB is no where near as expensive (or time consuming) as arguing with your cell provider for a replacement device.
    2. Data Accuracy -- Once again, it's unrealistic to expect a cell phone to accurately multi-task a tuning module while receiving emails/text messages/phone calls. Something's gotta give, and I can easily say I don't want my data logging/live monitoring to suffer because it's "more convenient" to run the COBB hardware through my cell.
    3. Cost -- COBB have to make an app that they'll now have to license for approval to both Android & Apple (increased cost), they'll have to develop independent apps that work on both OS' (more R&D cost that won't go away when updates/bugs need to be addressed/phone OS' are updated). Chances are because of all the mass software changes/R&D/implementation costs, this will actually cost more & cause more headaches. MAYBE in the future, cell phones will be capable of running several high power applications at once, but not right now.



    Like rader said, somethings are better kept separate.
    Cant use a cell phone I agree. But a dedicated Ipad should in theory work, but that would just make it a Openflash kinda thing.

    So what do we really want, large onboard screen with customer service, best of both worlds




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    I really don't see the point in the larger screen and real time data channels simultaneously. I mean, if the tune was right from the get-go, there is no need to datalog anyways. Right @shiv@vishnu?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90SoFlo Click here to enlarge
    Cant use a cell phone I agree. But a dedicated Ipad should in theory work, but that would just make it a Openflash kinda thing.

    So what do we really want, large onboard screen with customer service, best of both worlds
    I mean, if you want something large screen like that, I think you can live monitor off a laptop by connecting to the car through the AP. BUT the whole idea of convenience is out the window when it's anything larger then the AP or a cell phone. Regardless of whether it's an iPad or computer, you can't really have either of those things sitting on your lap & successfully data log.

    BUT it'd def be nice to have a live view a ton of channels & graphs on a laptop/iPad screen.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    I really don't see the point in the larger screen and real time data channels simultaneously. I mean, if the tune was right from the get-go, there is no need to datalog anyways. Right @shiv@vishnu?
    of course not, all you need to accurately evaluate a tune is your feel. basically someone who has never tried a tune, flashes his car, goes for a spin, car feels good in his "opinion". Writes a page review about how great the car feels with no real data to back it up.

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    I don't know about you guys, but I can def feel when I'm getting outrageous timing corrections & maxing out my fuel trims Click here to enlarge


    Flash & Forget only works if you want to maintain a "safety" barrier on the tune with respects to Ignition Advance, Boost & Fueling AND you're never switching between Fuels (91/93 --> 100+ Octane or E85). IF you strictly ran your car on 91/93 and was okay with leaving some power on the table, then maybe it'd be okay, but even I'd want to data log to address inevitable "problems" (old spark plugs/ignition coils, failing fueling injectors, etc)
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    I don't know about you guys, but I can def feel when I'm getting outrageous timing corrections & maxing out my fuel trims Click here to enlarge


    Flash & Forget only works if you want to maintain a "safety" barrier on the tune with respects to Ignition Advance, Boost & Fueling AND you're never switching between Fuels (91/93 --> 100+ Octane or E85). IF you strictly ran your car on 91/93 and was okay with leaving some power on the table, then maybe it'd be okay, but even I'd want to data log to address inevitable "problems" (old spark plugs/ignition coils, failing fueling injectors, etc)
    I feel it too. but our tunes (previously my tune Click here to enlarge) are very aggressive!
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    so so so glad to hear that you are having a trade in program from v2 to v3, looking forward to the update!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Can tell you guys Josh let us take a QUICK peek at Bfest. The thing is awesome! As cool as open flash is, I will still be sticking with Cobb for all our shop / customer cars for a long while as I love the support and just the ease of use of the AP. good work again Cobb. Can't wait to get one.
    Agreed to an extent. Cobb ATR is alot easier to tune with than the current open source for EVO, ECUFlash. Plus, you get great support with Cobb, open source, you're kind of on your own or at the mercy of forums. For those wanting to just tune their own car and know what they're doing though, open source is going to be amazing.
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    I already mount the Cobb V2 on my dash to monitor things like temps (here in Florida) and boost. I also have my iPhone mounted on the dash for Escort Live!. Having multiple gauges being displayed is great ... not to mention that with V2, it's a bit "hazardous to your health" if you try to change the item you want to monitor on the fly ... scrolling through with the tiny font and all.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Josh@Cobb Click here to enlarge
    LOL. A little early for that, but not by a lot. I'll definitely try to inform you guys as we go. I've been using the v3 for quite a while. I absolutely loved the v2, but the v3 really is a different animal. Hopefully you all like it as much as I do.
    Well I put it up for sale bc I bought it second hand and figured I wouldn't be eligible for the upgrade program unless I'm the original owner....If that isnt necesary, I will hold on to it for the exchange program...Please let me know before its sold! Thanks @Josh@Cobb
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    This is a nice kick in the junk the that plain jane looking open source tablet.

    I look forward to trading in my V2!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rooringhusky Click here to enlarge
    Well I put it up for sale bc I bought it second hand and figured I wouldn't be eligible for the upgrade program unless I'm the original owner....If that isnt necesary, I will hold on to it for the exchange program...Please let me know before its sold! Thanks @Josh@Cobb
    I believe there are going to post details on the trade in program in a few minutes on our facebook page. I honestly don't know all of the details myself, but I know the marketing guys have been coming up with a plan for all of this.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Josh@Cobb Click here to enlarge
    I believe there are going to post details on the trade in program in a few minutes on our facebook page. I honestly don't know all of the details myself, but I know the marketing guys have been coming up with a plan for all of this.
    Good because my AP is a whole 1 month old.

    Can you please post that information here once it is up?

    Is there a full list of new features/functions?

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    Now I have to find 325$ real soon to trade mine in ! Was looking for something like a scangauge (used to have one) to check mainly water temp and IAT !
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    If they are offering a 50% buy back the price for the new device will be $450.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Josh@Cobb Click here to enlarge
    I believe there are going to post details on the trade in program in a few minutes on our facebook page. I honestly don't know all of the details myself, but I know the marketing guys have been coming up with a plan for all of this.
    Thanks for the response...I will wait until the details are posted!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by maxn54 Click here to enlarge
    Now I have to find 325$ real soon to trade mine in ! Was looking for something like a scangauge (used to have one) to check mainly water temp and IAT !
    That's the upgrade price for the non BMW platforms, expect it to cost a little bit more.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    That's the upgrade price for the non BMW platforms, expect it to cost a little bit more.
    It SHOULD cost the same regardless of make since they use the same AP for all platforms. Love that BMW tax.
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    Will the version 2 be able to have the same OTS maps as version 3?

    Are new OTS maps going to be released?

    Anything tune related that would differ between the version 2 and 3?

    I'm not really interested in using the device to display real time info, and mainly just need to flash a map and be done with it. I don't want to be in a situation like the JB or PROcede in which upgrading the hardware is necessary to get upgraded features with the tune.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JStang Click here to enlarge
    It SHOULD cost the same regardless of make since they use the same AP for all platforms. Love that BMW tax.
    You really don't know the R&D effort put into being able to tune the BMW DMEs. If the R&D effort takes more resources to figure out how to tune BMWs, then the BMW AP should cost more.

    I agree that generally the hardware is the same, but the software could vary greatly between different manufacturers.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ajm8127 Click here to enlarge
    You really don't know the R&D effort put into being able to tune the BMW DMEs. If the R&D effort takes more resources to figure out how to tune BMWs, then the BMW AP should cost more.

    I agree that generally the hardware is the same, but the software could vary greatly between different manufacturers.
    Yes, I have no idea of the hours that were initially put into cracking the DME but I am referring to hardware.
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    The main feature I'd like to see is improved map switching times. Right now its 2-3 minutes but going from boosa to non-boosa code is longer. If they can do this in about 1 minute or less, that would be a huge selling point for me.

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